Aug 01 2007
DEAD ANIMAL FLESH, STOP USING YOUR STOMACH AS A GRAVEYARD FOR THE DEAD FLESH FROM THE CORPSES OF TORTURED AND MURDERED ANIMALS!!
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“YOU, ANIMALS, AND THE EARTH WILL SURVIVE VERY WELL”
“It’s great news that so many people are going veggie!” says Viva! Campaigns manager, Justin Kerswell. “Almost a billion animals are still killed for meat each year in the UK, most of them living appallingly short lives in squalid conditions and facing a terrifying death so we clearly have a long way to go but we are winning. Concerns about animal cruelty, health and the state of the planet are growing daily and vegetarianism provides a solution to all of them. It’s needed like never before.”
BY ARTHUR POLETTI
8/1/07
HUMANS MUST STOP USING THEIR STOMACHS AS A GRAVEYARD FOR THE DEAD FLESH FROM THE CORPSES OF TORTURED AND MURDERED ANIMALS.
“WAKE UP” BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!
PARTICIPATING IN AND SUPPORTING THE LIVESTOCK INDUSTRY IS LIKE PLAYING A DEADLY “NO WAY TO WIN” GAME OF RUSSIAN ROULETTE WITH NATURE.
EVEN THOUGH THE INSIDIOUS DEMAND TO EAT DEAD ANIMAL FLESH IS THE DRIVING FORCE THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NUMBER ONE CAUSE OF GLOBAL WARMING, INCREDIBLY IT DOES NOT SEEM TO CURB THE INSATIABLE, AND UNQUENCHABLE EATING HABITS OF BILLIONS OF PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
INCLUDING WELL KNOWN “SO CALLED”GLOBAL WARMING EXPERTS THAT PROFESS TO KNOW THE MAJOR CAUSES AND THE SOLUTIONS.
NATURE’S BRUTAL EXPRESSIONS OF VENGEANCE ARE BEING UNLEASHED THROUGHOUT THE WORLD IN THE FORM OF SOME OF THE MOST POWERFUL AND DESTRUCTIVE FORCES TO HUMANITY IMAGINABLE AS RETRIBUTION FOR THE WORST POSSIBLE CRIMES HUMANS HAVE COMMITTED TO GOD’S CREATURES AND NATURE.
YOU MUST ALSO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THE REAL POSSIBILITY THAT AS LONG AS THE NEVER ENDING COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY HIDEOUS CRUELTY AND MURDER OF BILLIONS OF VULNERABLE ANIMALS, AND THE CARELESS ABUSE OF THE EARTH CONTINUES, THE PUNISHMENT IS GOING TO GET MUCH WORSE.
PLEASE THOROUGHLY REVIEW THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION, PERSPECTIVES, AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
HOPEFULLY THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION WILL EVENTUALLY CONVINCE ENOUGH PEOPLE AND MOST GOVERNMENTS IN THE WORLD THAT UNTIL THE DAY COMES THAT ANIMAL FACTORY FARMS AND SLAUGHTERHOUSES ARE ALL CLOSED AND DEAD ANIMAL FLESH IS REMOVED FROM THE FOOD CHAIN GLOBAL WARMING WILL CONTINUE TO ESCALATE UNTIL ONE DAY, “WHICH COULD BE RELATIVELY SOON,” GLOBAL WARMING WILL BE IRREVERSIBLE AND UNSTOPPABLE!!
DOES ANYONE REALLY KNOW WHEN THAT DAY WILL BE?
THAT DREADFUL DAY COULD BE MUCH CLOSER THEN ANYONE THOUGHT POSSIBLE!
THIS IS WHY IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE MOST RATIONAL ADULTS STILL EAT ANIMAL FLESH AND ALSO FEED IT TO THEIR CHILDREN!!
PLEASE CAREFULLY REVIEW AND CONSIDER THE INFORMATION IN THE PUBLICATIONS POSTED ON THE WEB SITES BELOW INCLUDING THE MANY LINKS THAT REPRESENT YEARS OF EXPERTS’ PREDICTIONS AND THE REAL LIKELIHOOD OF A CONTINUOUS ESCALATION OF SEVERE FLOODING, FAMINE, AND WILDFIRES CAUSED BY GLOBAL WARMING IN MANY AREAS OF THE WORLD INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0127-01.htm
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/feb2007/2007-02-02-01.asp
http://www.arkangelweb.org/international/uk/20070529britaincontinuesveggietrend.php
http://www.nrdc.org/globalWarming/fcons.asp
OBVIOUSLY, THE UNSEEN TORTURE, MASS MURDER, AND SLAUGHTER OF MILLIONS OF YOUNG VULNERABLE ANIMALS (GOD’S CREATURES) EVERY WORKING HOUR IN ALL FACTORY FARMS AND SLAUGHTERHOUSES IS “DEFINITELY” OUT OF SIGHT, AND OUT OF MIND FOR MOST PEOPLE.
MAYBE A GOOD DOSE OF VIEWING THE FOLLOWING VIDEOS OF CRUELTY TO ANIMALS WILL HELP TO PERSUADE YOU THAT YOU CAN GET ALONG PERFECTLY WELL WITHOUT EATING MEAT AND SO CAN YOUR CHILDREN.
(”Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight.”)
~Dr. Albert Schweitzer
http://www.xenvideo.com/2006/09/29/kentucky-fried-chicken-animal-cruelty/
http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=agri_long&Player=wm
http://www.goveg.com/undercover-agri.asp
http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=meet_your_meat&Player=wm
http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=fur_farm&Player=wm
http://www.undercovertv.org/WatchVideos.php
http://www.slaughterhousecam.com/
http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=foie_gras_USA&Player=wm
SUMMARY:
STOP USING YOUR STOMACH AS A GRAVEYARD FOR THE DEAD FLESH FROM THE CORPSES OF TORTURED AND MURDERED ANIMALS.
IMMEDIATELY REPLACE DEAD ANIMAL FLESH WITH A LARGE VARIETY OF DELICIOUS SELECTIONS OF EARTH GROWN FOODS AS WELL AS A LARGE VARIETY OF DELICIOUS VEGETARIAN BURGERS, [in] CHICKEN, BACON, SAUSAGE, TURKEY, STEAK, [flavors] ETC.
LASTLY, DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT IF THERE IS A GOD IN HEAVEN WHO IS THE SUPREME SYMBOL OF, LIFE, LOVE, AND KINDNESS FOR ALL CREATURES WITH A SOUL; THAT GOD WANTS FACTORY FARMS AND SLAUGHTERHOUSES TO STAY OPEN?
PLEASE CONSIDER THE COUNTLESS BENEFITS TO HUMANS, ANIMALS, THE EARTH, AND THE EARTH’S ATMOSHERE BY SUPPORTING KINDNESS AND A FULL SAFE LIFE FOR ALL ANIMALS.
MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL?
FOR THE SAKE OF ALL ANIMALS.
ARTHUR POLETTI OF WESTERN SPRINGS, ILLINOIS IS THE AUTHOR OF THE SHORT STORY “GOD DOES NOT EAT MEAT”. READ IT FOR FREE ONLINE AT http://www.all-creatures.org/book/gdnem.html
I AM SOMETIMES ASKED: WHY DO YOU SPEND SO MUCH TIME AND MONEY TALKING ABOUT KINDNESS TO ANIMALS WHEN THERE IS SO MUCH CRUELTY TO MEN?
I ANSWER: “I AM WORKING AT THE ROOTS.”
—-GEORGE T. ANGELL
NOTE: The Editors of CJO/TPC do not think that appeals to God’s opinion of us are neccesary to exercise our moral conscience. Still, we publish this piece—obviously from a highly impassioned person whose viewpoint we endorse but which many of you will probably dismiss—because the sheer lack of love and empathy represented by the selfish human tyranny over animals and nature is disgusting and it’s high time we took a good look at our indulgent way of life. In our admittedly “Quixotic” ways, you can bet that we don’t behave like opportunistic politicians. So there you have it. Use your rusty moral imagination, for a change, and you’ll see how good it feels to do the right thing. To exercise compassion toward others who have done you no wrong. Who said it would be easy?
For complete coverage of animal issues, visit the Internet’s largest independent publication on this topic, ANIMAL PEOPLE. AP is a Cyrano’s Journal fraternal site, sharing our vision of justice for all, starting with those who can least defend themselves.
Thank you, Cyrano, for publishing this piece on compassion toward animals. We are at 5 minutes to midnight, where midnight is the complete and utter destruction of our beautiful planet Earth. The destruction of our planet is a by-product of our cruelty toward other animals. For the thousands of years that humans have ruled the world, the rest of the creatures with whom we’ve shared it have suffered from unimaginable cruelties inflicted by us. Humans cannot claim the moral high ground until we’ve reached a time in which there is no sanctioned cruelty toward any animal -whether it be a dog, a wolf or a chicken.
I urge every reader, if you’re not yet eschewing animal products, to please view the videos linked above, or if you cannot bear to watch them, then visit Animal People or any website devoted to animal rights to read about factory farming and other animal abuses. Each time we choose not to eat an animal results in ranchers and factory farmers breeding fewer animals. Humans are directly responsible for the demand for animal flesh, and conversely, they are directly responsible for lessening that demand.
Please know that a change in one’s behavior is not that hard. I became a vegetarian when I was in my mid-twenties. It was a matter of compassion and of justice. I know that many of you out there care about animals and want to change your habits. There are tons of resources on the Internet to help you along. You will be surprised at how easy it is to become a vegetarian, and at the incredible variety of dishes you will want to cook. Many of the world’s cultures are vegetarian, adding quite a few ethnic creations to your diet. It’s been almost 20 years since I’ve been vegetarian and I don’t ever miss meat.
Thank you for your consideration.
Val Traina
I appreciate the piece, but please chill on the caps…it’s irritating, although the message was great, I can’t help but feel like was at that old baptist church…sermons filled with fire and brimstone.
If you want to be a herbivore thats ok. Most of us are not. Whats next feeding lions soy? What shall we do when we see the killing of meat in the wild by “gods creatures” the annimals? Youre part of a food chain, how you deal with it is your problem.
To selectively show cruelty to annimals is propaganda, because that is not the norm.
I`m just rumbling. Bottomline is youre a twit.
Primates do eat meat… you’re a primate… you don’t have to eat meat, your ancestors did that for you and now you have a nice large brain… So, why guilt the rest of us just because you’re a limp wristed pansy?
Do you realize how prissy you sound trying heap on the “green” sloganism on us everyday people? In the long run you be back standing in line at McDonalds for that big Mac when no one cares about your sissy little rant anymore.
If you want to be a Vegan, it’s not a problem. But, I could say “how could you eat that plant when it has feelings and right to live just like you? Can’t you hear that carrot screaming as the farmer yanks it out of the earth? You god awful human being you! How could you slaughter that celery like that? It’s poor green little body is swirling around in your guts… ”
Haven’t you heard? Plants are alive and you want to turn them into nasty little turds!
The guilt trip can work both ways… you see?
Over the centuries massive terminal harm to the global environment has been done by agriculture. Farmers have been busy raping the natural environment from the very beginning. Where species-rich forests and wetlands once stood, we now have acres of sterile monoculture producing soy and similar unhealthy vegetable products. In fact most of the damage to the global environment has always been perpetrated, and is still being perpetrated by agriculturalists. Harvesting crops produces carnage amongst nesting birds, small mammals and insect life - assuming, that is, that they haven’t all been poisoned by the weed-killers and other chemicals sprayed on crop-plants in the first place. Every mouthful of soy burger means mass-murder and environmental devastation. Can you vegans live with that?
I’d love to leave an informed opinion on your piece, but the entire article is in uppercase.
‘Nature’s brutal vengeance’? I just scrolled up and picked a random line. Hmm. Now you don’t have any credibility at all I’m afraid.
If you really are a credible author, slaughtering the english language is not a good first step to put forward your case.
Matt
The term “Capitalism” was named by it’s detractors - the communists.
What’s refered to as capitalism is not an “ism” at all, it’s free people engaged in trade and
and commerce with each other voluntarily.
“ism’s” are forms of control such as : communism,catholicism, judaism,socialism,marxism,hinduism,naziism,
mohammedism etc. etc.
When free people are engaged in trade with each other, w/o coercion from the state, there will be a natural stratification of incomes due to primarily skill,thrift,brains,sobriety and industriousness.
Let’s leave control of one’s destiny in their own hands and out of the hands of controlling types who have a new coercive “ism” to experiment on us.
What have you got against twits?…
Yumm Yumm Tasty “meat flavored” chemicals… and processed too.
I’ll stick to buying local beef & chickens, humanly raised by local farmers.
I also buy Local eggs, and farm stand vegetables.
Soy is not a healthy alternative. It’s not a natural food.
Maybe the focus should be on Factory Farms, which seems to cause most of the abuse of animals.
Here’s an idea….
Stop blaming global warming on agriculture and animal husbandry (which I agree in its current form is absolutely and abomination…but it doesn’t HAVE to be that way!) and start looking to human beings. Oh, there’s all kinds of stuff we could go into. First and foremost HAARP technology which IS boiling our ionosphere…but that’s another sad tale in and of itself. As to this one:
#1. Why do WE keep on crapping out kids when we already know the world is way overpopulated and the planet cannot continue to sustain this kind of abuse from so many mouths to feed, clothe, keep warm and try to make comfortable for survival.
#2. We hear many yelling about the global elite wanting to “cull” the population…well, I’ll tell you, there would be no talk of that or no “need” in their own minds for such dispicable action, if WE….YES WE would keep our pants on and stop crapping out kids at the rates we do!! I see people in the ghetto….young mothers….starving people in other nations who cannot feed or clothe themselves being so irresponsible as to bring more life into the world!!! It’s outrageous. That is complete lack of responsibility. Period.
The more people we have, the more damage must be done to sustain them all. Less people would mean we could continue to live in a technological age, but the earth would better be able to handle any pollution or damage being caused.
Yes, people. WE brought this on ourselves in our own selfishness.
As an example: the Native American peoples certainly lived on a HIGH protein MEAT diet. Were their digestive systems a “graveyard for abused animal flesh”?? ABSOLUTELY NOT. They respected and LOVED all life forms and all creatures, even going so far as to thank every animal that gave its life so they could eat and survive from it and did not waste ANY of that animal…skin, meat, bones, hair etc. etc. Need I say more??
WE are the abusers. We are the ones who treat animals like that. There does NOT need to be abuse and guess what my friends…..you can still eat meat. I lived on my grandmas farm for a while and my grandpa was just like that. Every single time he would kill a chicken for us to eat, he would go to the yard, catch one of them and then gently hold and calm the animal in his arms until it was very calm and relaxed. Then in one quick movement he would painlessly snap it’s neck and hold it til it passed. NO pain. NO cruelty. NO anything. it was well fed, free ranged and treated with respect until the day it died.
I will also go so far as to say this because I personally believe it to be true:
When you yourself take the life of every animal you eat, you then are more responsible about it and you also don’t tend to over eat in most cases. You also tend to respect and treat the animal much better if you are kind and not some kind of ruthless big business operation like today’s commercial farming. Most of us fall into the category of care. When you are the person who is doing the killing to eat, you definitely see each and every result of your actions. And that is true, even when you yourself have to go harvest everything you eat. There’s a much healthier attitude towards food, more of a tendency toward non-obesity and more responsibility all the way around.
We live in a society where the average citizen works for the power elite and we no longer grow our own food….we feel it’s not our job to be responsible for it…or that we “don’t have the time” to pay attention to our own survival. And so we are the victims of mass marketing and farming which creates havoc on the environment, abuse and other such things because of our our selfishness and gluttony.
It’s OUR fault. And it’s not because people are eating meat. If we allowed foods to be raised and grown in a more natural environment and relied more on organic and local farming instead of big chain store power elite owned marketing and farming, animals wouldn’t have to suffer like that. Nuff said. Now go ahead any of you there who wanna take potshots at me. Swing away!
“IMMEDIATELY REPLACE DEAD ANIMAL FLESH WITH A LARGE VARIETY OF DELICIOUS SELECTIONS OF EARTH GROWN FOODS AS WELL AS A LARGE VARIETY OF DELICIOUS VEGETARIAN BURGERS, [in] CHICKEN, BACON, SAUSAGE, TURKEY, STEAK, [flavors] ETC.”
and fill my body with all sorts of chemical flavorings instead - wonder how quickly that crap will put me in my grave - no thanks - I will continue to eat meat. The human organism is an omnivore - NOT an herbivore - hence - your needs require meat - I see a lot of vegetarians, and a lot I can pick out just by their looks - they look weak, skinny, yellow-tinged in body color - overall, just unhealthy looking. What about free-range animals?? they are EARTH GROWN FOODS, just that you have to kill them to eat them . . .ummm . . . isn’t that what you do to veggies to eat them??? kill them first, but what about the plants feelings??? overcrowding on large plantations, veggies crying out for more sun and water because they bigger brethren are consuming too many - chopped and yanked out of the earth by their roots - doused in chemicals to clean the chemicals man has put on them to make them grow because their are NOT enough nutrients in the ground to begin with??? ad nauseum. . . . I think you get the picture . . . have a nice day!
“Every living thing that moves will be yours to eat, no less than the foliage of the plants. I give you everything, with this exception: you must not eat flesh with life, that is to say blood, in it.” [Genesis 9:3-4]
Where’s the post I sent? Ghost in the Machine? A.
“Vegetarian: Indian word which means ‘lousy hunter’”.
And, really, if you have to invoke the invisible magic man who lives in the sky to support your argument…you have no argument. (Also no invisible magic man who lives in the sky, but that sort of goes without saying…)
Exactly what do vegan’s pet cats and pet dogs eat? Do they feed them tofu Whiskas? No, they feed them the highly processed leftovers from the meat that is used in the human food chain. So without humans eating meat, the vegans could not have their pets crapping all over the sidewalks and flower beds.
MMMMMmmmmmmmmMMMMM
Roast chicken and/or turkey, giblet gravy, dressing, mashed potato’s (you don’t have anything against mashing a poor harmless potato, do you?)
Ribeye steak, rubbed with the appropriate seasoning, baked new red potatos (there go the poor potato’s again) marinated in olive oil, garlic and rosemary, a side of blackened zuccini and summer squash.
Freshbaked bread, cheese, a good beaujolas, and thin sliced, medium rare roast beef!!
You eat the vegies, leaves more for the rest of us!
David: The term “Capitalism” refers to the diabolical system invented by the same evil bastards who invented communism. Freedom is certainly not a component of capitalism. Since those people (Rothschilds) were unable to enslave humanity through communism they invented capitalism which is just a polite word for Fascism.
The press is evil! They pit white men against white women, black americans against white americans, meat eaters against non-meat eaters, rich against poor, they lie, they manipulate, they change values, use mind control. Wake up you fools! You are being controlled!
The media is a mind control device. Ever notice why there is a tv in the supermarkets, Mcdonals, medical offices, bowling alleys, post offices and so muchmore. YOu are being cotnrolled!
anthropogenic global warming is a wide open question
it would be much easier to predict the movement of the stock market than the entire world climate
so, if you’re so smart, how come you ain’t rich!!!
I am a vegetarian. Looking through the posts I see much in the way of error. Some from the meat eaters, some from the vegans. I used to eat meat a long time ago. Back then I thought I was strong but I now know that compared to the energy and strength I now get from veggies I was truly a weakling. Meat and milk does tend to make people bigger in size (the GH and IGF-1) but it does so by trading strength, forcing you to eat more and more meat, as an addict would. Meat also tends to cloud the mind. As for global warming… that is complete bullshit. There IS NO global warming that is the fault of humans and global warming is NOT caused by greenhouse gases. Global warming is caused when cosmic rays increase, which then cause cloud cover to increase. Our galaxy goes through cycles where it runs into a lot of cosmic rays and areas where it gets little in the way of cosmic rays so the weather fluctuates over long vast periods of time. We are currently in a cycle in which we are exposed to a lot of cosmic rays. This is a PROVEN scientific fact that the global warming crowd ignore because a very profitable lie is afoot for those who are truly soaking the governmental programs - programs set up to spread the lie. If you eat meat learn to love the parasites and say a prayer to the animals. If you eat veggies learn to live with the meat eating retards and say a prayer to the carrots. AND STOP TYPING IN CAPS ALL THE TIME BECAUSE IT IS IRRITATING TO BOTH THE MEAT EATERS AND THE VEGGIE MUNCHERS.
Using this childish reasoning PLANTS are a graveyard for dead animals. Top soil is composed of not only millions of dead plants, but also the bodies of insects and animals. Moreover anyone who eats only plants, grains etc. is filling their little tummies not only with rat shit but also with millions of bug parts and bodies tortured to death when caught in the human food gathering web. Fact - grains, nuts, and greens sold in markets the world over are filled with the remains of insects - but I suppose vegians don’t care about insects even though they are living creatures.
Of course plants are LIFE TOO. It is increasing being shown by biology that plants have feelings - that they will fight for their own offspring by killing other plants around them and so forth. Many plants have been shown capable of identifying their own offspring. But Vegans don’t give a damn about plants. They make their bodies the graveyards for plants (and insects).
Anyone who has studied biology knows that the human body is not really made to live off of plants. Humans do not have the correct stomach system (having but one) to break down the plants they way ruminants do. Most plant material humans eat never give up their nutrients - but like most of the plant based vitamins you ingest they just get flushed down the stool into our sewers! Talk about WASTE! Animals designed to live off of plants have teeth designed to continually grow so that the hard silica crystal structure of plant cells does not wear their teeth down flat. People who eat too much plant material not cooked will also end up with reduced tooth enamel and flattened teeth. But in the stomach most of this plant material never breaks down and is just flushed out as shit. Biologists know this. Doof-heads like Adolf Hitler, who was a vegan, never realize this.
I knew a man who became a vegan and the first thing I noticed about him after two years was that he was complaining about having lost 2 inches of body height!! His first little body was born, but was unhealthy. In India one of the common gripes in the News Papers recently was how rich Hindus were sneaking animal materials into their diets and how this was making their children taller and stronger. Of course this was making them better able to command the tiny feeble religions poor who did not have such diets.
Kudos to Bill***
But we all know that CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL for the cool people. The write is apparently dilirious from not having enough protein.
He talks about God and how God wouldn’t eat MEAT but guess what buddy Jesus gave the people bread and fish to feed the masses guess God’s not a vegan.
I have been around to know about where this vegan crap arises from. Back in the 70s it was known that socialist and commie elements were pushing this around the world. If you followed the money. People who eat low fat diets and low protein diets make for a stupid population, and such populations are very easy to control. In Red China in the 70s the segments of the population that were being ruled were maintained mainly on a diet of corn cobs without the corn. But this tactic has been used by tyrants since the dawn of civilization: those to be ruled as slaves were always fed poorly, for a man in bad health is easy to rule.
In the 70s the big Hippie Dippy scam of that time was how RED MEAT made people more warlike. My friend who had lost 2 inches of height (a sign of a major loss of nutrition – calcium and skeletal bone loss) after he had become a vegetarian (the old term for human ruminant-wanta-be’s) - he kept telling me who red meat was making me warlike. Of course he was very unread – very ignorant in general about history or anything. So I pointed out to him that the old Japanese Samurai culture based on warfare was built on a civilization that ate mainly plant materials with some fish added. They ate almost zero red meat. I pointed out that Adolf Hitler, who had build his whole beilief system around war and survival of the fittest (see Hitler’s second, but unpublished book), was himself a vegan for decades before he launched his series of war invasions.
I then pointed out that the Inuit – the old Eskimo tribes of northern Canada – had subsisted entirely on large meals of caribou RED MEAT, but how that among those people if a person even seemed to get angry or shout in anger he was considered to be an insane person. They were the most peaceful people on planet earth.
The 70s are history. And we saw how this movement TYPE (pseudo-western-Hindus) tried to make everyone feel sorry for the little furry animals killed for clothing. This campaign raged in the 1980s. It failed. Then the attempts to use terror tactics in the 90s and 2000s by freeing animals in cages – even though in the wild these animals quickly died. And now the GRAVEYARD – TUMMY Scam. Give it up. You guys are not Hindu – at best you are just plastic Mac’Hindus.
You want to know the real problem? There are too many people!
The natural checks and balances war, pestilence, and famine have been largely removed from ‘humanity’s’ life cycle.
If anything, we need more checks against the so-called ‘human race.’
Even still, the ‘global warming’ fearmongers depend on one thing to spread their misrepresentations: The public’s ignorance of scientific language.
There is not one study that has demonstrated a -=CAUSAL=- link between man’s actions and ‘global warming.’ Rather what most quoted studies state is that man has -=CONTRIBUTED=- to conditions that could effect an mean increase in global temperature. What does ‘contribute’ even mean? It depends on the study quoted. Technically, if I drive a car across town, I have contributed to conditions that could increase the global temperature. Are my contributions significant? Hardly. It is all in the language!
In reality, the meteorological historical record is woefully short on data. There is far too little data to establish any kind of long-term trending. It is known that the Earth has cycles. These cycles have turned a vast rainforest into what is now the Sahara desert. They have covered North America and Europe with massive landscape altering ice-sheets. For all we really know, we are simply headed out of the latest ice-age of 10,000 years ago and into a new warming period.
Drop the ego.
lol you guys are so funny
My Children,
Do not be fooled!
Satan’s hopping around, because he knows its true that you will never end your bickering over food. As much as anything else.
You are bored and wishing to find things to squabble over. In regards to food, be happy what you eat, it is there for you to eat in all forms that you would like to eat.
Yes, animals must die. You must die whenever it is your time. It is of no difference between animals and you. You are the flesh of the Earth, therefore you must die in someway. In all death, death always remain the same, no matter how it was served.
The earth is designed to be used up and destroyed. Why worry? why no faith?
“Weson 02 Aug 2007 at 9:21 am
Kudos to Bill***
But we all know that CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL for the cool people. The write is apparently dilirious from not having enough protein.
He talks about God and how God wouldn’t eat MEAT but guess what buddy Jesus gave the people bread and fish to feed the masses guess God’s not a vegan.”
Give it a rest Wes….
God forbid somebody yelled about something IN THIS COUNTRY- we might actually have to experience a brief moment of discomfort…. god help us. I hope the caps lock didn’t hurt your sensitive stomach too much.
Get mad for a change it may do you some good…pick an issue and get mad about it. Baking cookies, and listening to fake public radio (NPR news) with it’s muted phony liberal pundits like Michelle Norris, and Aetna sponsored programming, isn’t cutting it for us, nor is having a relaxed conversation where everyone’s upper middle class/closed minded/uninformed/chauvinistic opinion is just as valid as the next.
Our good manners have not gotten us anything but dictatorship, and senseless war up to this point, and seem to me to be an exercise in white guilt and “democratic” futility – this way we can look in the mirror and say “I’m not part of the problem, I bake cookies, and say “bad bush”.” I think the PTA in stupid spoiled suburbia is more vehemently outspoken about issues that concern their honor roll students than the pseudo left wing in this country is about ending the issues that will soon destroy “civilization” . It seems that we will be polite all the way up ’till Armageddon day. Naturally, being careful not to push or yell at any group that may be offended as the sky rains fire, and the earth swallows us up.
Stop pretending that we live in a civilized society and maybe we can get somewhere?
Save the good behavior for when we actually live in a good society.
NOW THAT YOU MUST BE EXHAUSTED FROM BEING YELLED AT…HOW ‘BOUT A BUD LIGHT, A FAT ARTERY CLOGGING OVER PRICED, OVER PUMPED STEAK AND 24 HOURS OF STEROID ABUSING, OVER WEIGHT, OVER PAID, PITUITARY CASES, WITH THE COMBINED I.Q. OF GEORGE BUSH CRASHING HEAD FIRST INTO EACH OTHER WITH A STUPID LEATHER BALL?
WHY DON’T they JUST START USING HEADS WITH NO PADS AND STOP BEHAVING LIKE SUCH PUSSIES?
Get mad once in a while. I’m not saying this is an ideal mode of discourse but it sure is a catalyst for change…IT CERTAINLY GOT YOUR ATTENTION DID IT NOT!!!!!!!!, AND THAT’S JUST A LITTLE CAPS LOCK BUTTON - SOFTY.
I’M NOT EVEN A VEGETARIAN, BUT THE CLOSE MINDEDNESS IS JUST TOO UGLY AND STUPID FOR WORDS. GET MAD, AND WE WILL GET CHANGE. EVERYONE NEEDS TO STOP TRYING TO SOUND AS INFORMED AND AS INTELLIGENT AS NOAM CHOMSKY THROW YOUR HALF COOKED OPINIONS AT THE WALL AND SEE IF THEY STICK…THE PUBLIC DOESN’T UNDERSTAND MUCH ANYWAY AND MAY ACTUALLY BE FOOLED INTO THINKING YOU ARE SOMEHOW ENLIGHTENED.
BREAKING NEWS: THE BEST INTELLECT ON THE LEFT (MICHAEL PARENTI, AND WARD CHURCHILL YELL)…GIVE IT A SHOT BECAUSE WE ARE PRETTY FUCKED AS OF NOW.
PLEASE EXCUSE MY BAD MANNERS….HOT DOG ANYONE?
MAYBE you don’t read ALL of your Bible. Try looking up Genesis 8 verse 21. Noah has just released all of the animals from the Ark. Verse 20 says that he built an altar to the Lord, and “took of every clean animal and of every clean bird, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.”
He whipped up ‘the barbie’. What do you think it says next?
21 “And the Lord smelled a soothing aroma…” King James Version
21 “And the Lord smelled the sweet savour;…” Holy Bible from the Ancient Eastern Text - George M. Lamsa’s translation from the Aramaic of the Peshitta
What does your choice of text say? I bet it says that God LIKED the smell of cooking meat. Just like I do when we cook on our grill at home. Now are you going to try and further your BS position by saying He just liked the smell, but not because of the taste of the food, but just because he likes burning flesh!?!
BTW - a footnote refers one (in the KJV) to Exodus 29:18. Now this passage is where GOD HIMSELF is speaking to Moses about how and when to sacrifice on the altar. What are God’s words?
18 “And you shall burn the whole ram on the altar. It is a burnt offering to the Lord; it is a sweet aroma, an offering made by fire to the Lord. KJV
The Ancient Eastern Translation gives the same quote, only uses the word ’savour’ in place of aroma.
I wish I could see the look on your face as you read this. Have a nice day.
WHY DO SOME ANIMALS EAT OTHER ANIMALS???!! oops turn off caps!
HEY TRUTH BE TOLD AND FELLOW MORONS ON THIS THREAD: You fucking American Bible-quoting fundamentalist Taliban, when are you gonna learn?
Does it even cross your squalid poor excuse of a mind that 3/4 of humanity does not read or follow the Bible? That many upright, good people never heard of it? Do you think all of those people are going to “Hell.” Dont answer that, I know what your stupid response will be. Did you know that many of the Founding Fathers were deists and some atheists?
I’m sure if someone told you about the ancient Aztec priests making human sacrifices (something amply documented, but a practice found in just about every ancient human culture, including the Celts), taking the heart out of a living, writhing victim on their bloodsoaked altar, you’d be thinking, wow! what barbarians! How are YOU stupid jerk, better than they when you’re justifying this brutal God who demands sacrifices in exchange for his “goodness”? I know tons of people whjo are far nobler, generous and compassionate than this biblical God of yours, and they’re just ordinary people.
If that is not enough of a contradiction to any thinking person I don’t know what is. So take your fucking Bible and shove it up your ass, I mean up your brain, since both produce the same stinking product.
The real Thomas Paine would have stomped your collective “Thomas Paine’s Corner” socialist asses.
I hope you realize that if you socialist retards had your way, that the real historical Thomas Paine would have been one of the first to be sent off to the gulags for political re-education (and then probably executed because he wouldn’t have it) for his theories on liberty. None of the generation of 1776 (even the pig Hamilton) would supported your cries for authoritarianism.
When meat-eaters start crying about the “living” vegetables - how they scream when the farmer yanks them out of the earth, hoping to put a guilt trip on vegetarians and vegans, it is merely a feeble attempt to justify their own eating of animal carcasses!
Even if vegetables did feel pain, they are not sentient beings. I can’t understand why some meat eaters pretend to be so concerned with the feelings of vegetables, more so than with the horrors that animals must face before and during the slaughtering process. Perhaps they should realize that the one pound of beef they cook for dinner was produced from the animal having consumed a harvest from 15 acres of land. If they’re so concerned about vegetables’ feelings, they ought to stop eating meat! If nothing else, consider how many people could be fed with a harvest from 15 acres of land vs. only one pound of beef!
Vegetarians don’t have to eat fake “anything”, full of chemicals and additives - it’s a choice: Fast foods vs. healthful home-made meals. Meat eaters eat the flesh of animals that were raised on tons of antibiotics and growth hormones, far worse than any fake vegetarian product could ever be!
Ah, Global Warming - what a bunch if cynics! It is true that we may not have all the facts, and that some of the facts may not be correct, but isn’t it better to err on the side of caution rather than wait until the 11th hour only to find that it’s too late?
Is there anything wrong with trying to find and use alternative energy with fewer emissions, especially since we would rely less on not-so-friendly oil-producing countries? Is it so terrible to keep our air and water clean? Why is there so much resistance to keeping this planet alive? Are the holes in the ozone layer a hoax?
These ‘Vegan’ (vide: idiot), ‘Vegetarian’ ‘Omnivore’ arguements are useless. 99.999% of the time not one of the people arguing produce ANY of their own food (ah, using that caplock makes me feel like a real man). For the most part they are nothing but ideologies spouted by ‘consumers’. As a Permaculture Designer who has raised 60% of a family of 4’s for a number of years…meat on the hoof is essential. Living in South Coastal British Columbia…I try and mimic what the Coast Salish ate…why? Because the soils are poor and unless you want to survive on blackberries year round, you can’t eat locally without incorporating meat and fish.
Eating locally is far, far more important than following some faddish diet. Eat what comes from close to you. And put all the energy you argue your diet with, into growing something yourself. As an aside, there is also no data on multigenerational breeding stats on passing on a ‘vegan’ lifestyle. There is ample evidence of long lives, no dental caries, and vibrant health stemming from a local diet based on utlizing as many food resources as possible.
Lancifer is right that diversity in food groups is more advisable than monochromatic diets, but who says that vegetarian diet is monochromatic or lacking in protein, for example? The idea the protein comes only from animals is one of the oldest strawmen in the arguments against vegetarianism. This from chefsdiet.com, scarcely a pro-vegan site:
Soy: Complete Protein In A Plant
Unlike most plant-based proteins, soybeans actually provide a complete protein without the need to be combined with other proteins. Although recent research has tempered the once-touted benefits of soy for reducing the risk of heart attack, stroke, breast cancer, and the hot flashes associated with menopause, soy remains a healthful, low-fat source of protein. Research has shown that soy proteins do not have a significant impact on improving cholesterol levels, based on an analysis of multiple studies. But replacing some of the animal-based protein sources in your diet with soy proteins may improve your heart health because soy foods have more of the good polyunsaturated fats than high-protein meat or dairy products. Soy products also contain other vitamins and minerals in addition to protein. Some sources of soy protein include tofu, the popular soy curd that comes in several consistencies and may be substituted for meat in many recipes, and tempeh, a firmer soy product with a texture that is more like meat. You can also find soy substitutes for many dairy products, including soy milk, soy-based yogurt, and even soy-based ice cream (now that’s having your soy and eating it, too).
The Incredible Egg: A Non-Meat Protein Option
If you are not a vegetarian but you prefer to avoid meat, don’t forget that eggs are a great source of protein. One egg packs the same amount of protein as one ounce of lean meat. Although the average egg has about 5 grams of total fat, saturated fat (the bad kind) accounts for about 1.6 grams of the total fat. But all the fat in an egg resides in the yolk, while the white contains slightly more protein and no fat. So if you plan to eat several eggs per day for bodybuilding or high-protein diet purposes, eat some of that egg protein in the form of the whites only and you’ll eliminate the fat while adding protein to your diet.
So much for meat as the exclusive source of protein argument.
Second, this debate is not so much about “what’s good for us” as it is about the ETHICS of our tyranny over animals. The writer was wrong in introducing that argument—but, hey, I can understand why he did it. He did it because in human culture, and especially in the US, appeals to self-interest usually get more people to listen than appeals to reason or straight morality. We are a damn selfish culture parading as a Jesus-observing culture.
Lancifer seems to be the most sane of any who have ‘contributed’ their comments to the original rant. I salute the will that must be required for your lifestyle choice. If only more were as intelligent about their lives.
@onewaratatime: To be fair, Lanicer did not assert that a vegetarian diet is “lacking in protein.” Rather, they offered that the emphasis ought not be the pursuit of a consumer lifestyle, but the pursuit of an intelligently low impact (thats the point right?) lifestyle. As was the implication, low-impact means local and their particular locality has poor soil, hence the need for a varied diet. Your offered solution of consuming soy, which is the shipped end product of a intensive agricultural business, like that of Monsanto, represents a high impact solution.
@Atia: I mean this in the best way: The ability to understand, much less define sentience has escaped philosophy for eons. I highly doubt that vegetarians have stumbled upon the something that has escaped the best human minds.
Even still, in layman’s terms, sentience could be defined as: the utilization of sensory organs, the ability to feel or perceive subjectively. Given that plants have the ability to sense and interact with their environment, they could qualify as being sentient.
Ultimately, you miss the point that the “meat-eaters” are attempting to make. A position that seeks to exclude one form of life from a diet, based on an ethical principle to not kill or cause harm, while including another form of life is inconsistent. Life is life, is it not? In addition, by adopting a moral or ethical standpoint, you have missed an important point; as so many philosophers have asserted: To live is to destroy.
This is not to say that I think that vegetarism is ridiculous. There are very good reasons offered for the diet. The typical vegetarian diet, while still supporting intensive agriculture, has a much lower impact on the environment than a ‘meat’ heavy diet. Also, for most people, a change to vegetarian diet would represent a healthful move.
@Greer Ashton: I too, deride the politically charged arguments and twisted scientific language that swarm the subject of ‘global warming.’ I have also suspended my judgement regarding the causality issue until we know more as I feel that the data simply is not strong enough. However, being that as it may, I fully support initiatives to move to alternative and low-impact energies. Even though I do not accept the causality argument of ‘global warming,’ I like clean air too.
If Vegas were offering odds that this present world is going to save it’s self from it’s own destruction because of it’s pollution of the Earth…I wouldn’t lay any bets with them.
The Kogi People of South America still pretty much live the old way upon the Earth as the Native Tribes of Turtle Island used to live as a Tribe, & in the least destructive manner with the Earth.
They still live at..what I would call mathematically…Complete Zero…or hunting..fishing…growing & gathering food. They are more than well aware of this world as the pollution of this world is affecting both their mountain & fishing waters.
In terms of Cause & Effect..once complete zero was broken…Money/Mammon…you have this world as this world is now..and this world will keep in proceeding on the course now set..meaning things will keep getting worse on the whole..as time goes proceeds.
What is unknown is how much affect the destruction of the Earth will have upon the human race as well as all the critters, and life forms God created.
Stephen Hawking expressed his concerns about Global Warming turning Planet Earth into a Firey Venus. He may be right.
Other factors are nuclear weapons can do the same thing. The Hopi Prophecies speak of a Gourd of Ashes…or man made fire..which the Hopi consider to be nuclear weapons…and this land that most called America…while people of Native Tribal Heritage call this land…Turtle Island…will pretty much be scorched off the earth by man made fire.
In the Book of Revelation God states he is the destroyer of those who pollute the Earth…Revelation 18 states God is going to put into the minds of men to burn Mystery Babylon in one hour. This will overule any logic they have not to do such a thing. This may indicate a nuclear attack of man made fire.
Native Prophecies also speak of a great war towards the end in this land when the Red Snake attacks the White Snake from the North…which may be symbolic of Nations such as Russia & China…attacking the white people’s Nation of America?
The people of Native Heritage are not supposed to take any part in this war, and they will be joined by the people’s of other races who will not take any part in this war.
There are many stories from within Tribes that Jesus lived and taught Tribes in Turtle Island long before the Europeans arrived. Jesus stated it is not what a person puts into their body through their mouth that defiles them, but what they speak with their mouths that defile them, as what they speak comes from their hearts.
The Israelites had a tendency to kill their Prophets while the Native Tribes had a tendency to listen to their Prophets.
I found things interesting in the mid 90’s when I was first able to get online that white folk considered their Nation might be Mystery Babylon, or the Beast of Revelation with it’s False Prophet Religious Leaders who worship after the Beast, and worship the Image of the Beast…thinking the Beast is doing God’s work when the Beast is doing the devil’s work.
Once a money/mammon system is set up that destroys the earth & is a global system it becomes rather difficult to un-destroy the earth…as pretty much everyone is now locked into the Mammon System upon the Earth.
What a great piece, just wish I had read it prior to me just finishing 24 hot wings!!
Sarcasm: when you’re devoid of any worthwhile ideas, throw snide remarks on the fire and pretend you’re smart.
Soylent green!! Now there’s a product I could get behind!!
One potato, two potato, three potato, four
We got a fridge with a store-more door
Good food,good meat
Good God let’s EAT!
Folks, I quit eating animal flesh way back there in 1968, when veggie wasn’t cool. I must have been the first veggie in the whole world because I had never run into another one that I knew of. I had no precursors to talk about it with. So I checked with several MD’s before I did the work. All five of them (yes, five) told me that I would die of malnutrition if I stopped eating animal flesh. They told me it just could not be done. I figured cows eat nothing but grass and thrive. (Yes, it was bad reasoning, but I was only 28 at the time and pioneering a new eating habit.) Cows are ruminants that have two stomachs and this is how they process the grass, but still, it is nothing but grass, right? To shorten this story that could get pretty long, let me just say that I am sixtly-seven presently and still do pretty hefty bench presses. I use the back end of my Ford Ranger p/u for my deadlifts. I heft the back end up about seven or eight times to keep my back and legs in shape. I have not had a cold in longer than I can remember. I have only experienced the flu one time in my whole life. I have not had a sore throat in so long that I don’t have the slightest idea what it feels like. I have had a regular and normal bowel movement every day since 1968 and have had diarrhea so seldom that I can’t remember the last time. I have had stomach upset only about three or four times in the forty years since I quit eating animal flesh and I theorize this is probably because I ate something that may have been tainted with botulism. My thoughts are crystal clear 24/7 even when I am asleep and dreaming. Yes, I am aware when I am dreaming. This is all because my body is not all clogged up with the effects of breaking down animal protein, some of said effects being the horrendously powerful acids and other bodily fluids that have to be created and unleased in the stomach (and elsewhere) to process animal protein, of which much of said protein actually becomes part of the animal’s thoughts that ate the animal preyed upon. On the other hand, plant food exists in an almost predigested state and one is not required to create and secrete one’s own bodily super-toxins to process his daily bread. My eating life has proven that people eat flesh only because they develop a taste for it, not because it is necessary to exist. And so, it is probably only right and just that one who preys on other animals and eats eats them is also eaten by that animal. Thus, it is a smart human animal that eats to live, not lives to eat. I’ll see you in four or five hundred years and let you know how my health is then. Bye, bye now.
Wow lots of yelling carnivores! Well, I say let them eat organic free range animals and ban the factory farm totally. Get rid of cheap meat like McDonalds, Kentucky Fried Chicken, and do this for the environment’s sake. Imported meat needs to be banned as well due to the distance. Eat local foods. Meat eating is a major environmental hazard. Please read up on this folks. On those small organic free range farms only hire people who are paid a decent wage to work. Guess what meat folks? The price of your meat will skyrocket. That’s a good thing, because you will eat less. Look at most of you folks, honestly. How big are you? I’m not a skinny little thing myself, but I’m not morbidly obese. Many vegetarians are not tiny. This is truly a misunderstanding.
I say this. If you are going to eat meat, buy the organic free range type. It’s expensive and you will definitely eat less of it. Don’t eat fast food at all. Most Americans are just too fat. It’s becoming a major health hazard and environmental hazard.
IF DAVID ICKE’S REPTILIAN BLOODLINE GOVERNMENT IS CORRECT THEN THEY LIKE NOTHING BETTER THAN EATING A NICE BIT OF BLOOD MEAT, PREFERABLY WHILE ITS STILL TWICHING, TROUBLE IS WE ARE ON THE MENU, LETS HOPE THEY GO VEGETARIAN SOON, BUT DONT HOLD YER BREATH FOLKS, IF HE CAN CAPITALIZE SO CAN I. AND REMEMBER GOD MAY NOT EAT MEAT BUT SATAN DOES.
I think someone needs to get a life. You cant really be serious about this load of crap. I believe your brain is already protein starved.
I think the vitrol spewed in disgust to this passionate message is very telling. I am a vegetarian, and if you have a choice , you should be one to.
If you do not hunt, and kill, and give thanks for that animals death, so that you may live, you may not eat that animal. I’m not talking about sports hunters either, I am talking about starvation or food. That is the choice. You have a choice. Your intelligent.
Not only have you taken an intelligent feeling creature and turned it into a commodity , to be tortured and used at your will, when shown this fact you real back half truths and jokes to try and justify the banality of your existance.
Eating, and killing a life form that you have a limited ability to communicate with because you have been taught to do so is not a reason to keep doing it. It’s not as smart as you, but your probably not as smart as me. Should I eat you? Don’t worry I have a choice. And I am Intelligent. I’ll think for both of us on this point.
Do I know if a plant wants me to eat it? I know if I cut a plant in two and place the other half in the soil it will grow in to two plants, so that argument is nullified, as the argument is dependent on the two forms of life being the same, which they are not.
Plants tend not to scream when I cut them in two.
Keep lying to your self as you stuff your face with sawdust burgers and the broken souls of animals who’s beauty you will never know. I cry a little for this world, but no tears for those of you that continue to take the lives of our brothers and sisters who live here with limited choice. You have choice, please use it.
More and more idiot consumers who don’t know squat about producing anything and the list grows…unfortunately. Nothing else is growing with all the readily available compost these ‘Knownothing Doolittles’ keep crapping out the wrong end…sigh, I guess Darwin was right after all…survival of the fittest. Fittest meaning doing something other than following bunk idoelogies and buying them (or into them).
Show me a vegetarian culture and I’ll show you a culture that swam, fucked and went the way of the dodo. But carry on, carry on, your Fabian Socialist neo-con gibberish will allow you to eat your lawn when it comes down to it. And it is coming down to it, so waddle your sorry arses to the nearest soy farm and watch yer littl’uns grow tits, male and female…are most of you really this cattle like? Mooooo…is what a cow says, baaaaah is what a lamb says, veganveggie is what a sheople says, right before the knife slides through the throat.
I CAN’T farm without manure, should I feed a thing beyond its usefulness? I can’t grow things without the aid and benefit of animals. Yes, I eat some of them…but anyone with a real, clear, reaching head on their shoulders would have imbibed ayahuasca by now and realized that plants can talk to. You just have to listen closer. Plants aren’t ‘as sentient’ is the fall back position of people who are afraid of bursting their ego structures to bits. So, go back to sleep veganveggies…mooooooooooooo
If I had the time or inclination, I’d dissect (without remorse) every single non-opportunivore argument here…but I’ve little time to waste on future feed stock. I will however take on any and all salient arguments for any competing theory to mine. Cast about, look for loop holes in MY theory expounded thus far, and when you’ve spent years growing your own food, I’ll listen. But I consider this case closed…or should I say CLOSED.
If you don’t have any input other than ‘thought’ into your daily ‘bread’, go away. But if you actually do have an input into your daily ‘bread’ I’d welcome a word or two. This is a long standing discussion. Anyone out there actually grow anything, or are most of you all useless eaters, of any and all persuasion. Spam will be dealt with quickly and I’ve a team of people on it via the ’security’ part of cannabis-world.org (my 6 year old owns that site…)
@one thought: Arguments from an ethical or moral standpoint are inconsistent at best.
You have defined life that ought not be farmed as intelligent, feeling, and with the ability to communicate. You also add that if a lifeform has the ability to regenerate, destructive acts against it are justified.
The problems are again with the definitions you are using. The operationalization of intelligence is hardly an uncontroversial issue. Whose definition shall we use?
Robert Sternberg at Tufts would argue that it means: “goal-directed adaptive behavior.” Animals, plants, and single-celled organisms fit this definition.
Maybe David Wechsler could assist us: “”… the aggregate or global capacity of the individual to act purposefully, to think rationally, and to deal effectively with his environment.” Oops. This definition merely fits humans.
No, intelligence is far too nebulous to be useful here.
Feeling. Given your limited use, I suppose that you mean sensory perception. Guess what, plants have sensory receptors.
Among other receptor types, plants have:
chemoreceptors
thermoreceptors
photoreceptors
phytochrome-regulated systems
gravitropism
hydroreceptors
thigmotropism
Communication. This is another nebulous concept. Your particular usage represents a troubled measure in that it cannot be applied to all animal life. Seemingly, your position is that animal life should not be consumed. Yet not all animal life is covered by your qualification of having the ability for limited communication (merely with humans?). Does a mollusk seemingly communicate anymore than a tree does? This aside, I would actually argue that your usage of “communication” is overly narrow. Simply because humans term a certain collection of cognitive, motor, and sensory events as meaningful communication (eg speech), does not mean that humans have an exclusive right to the term. Indeed, plants and animals meaningfully communicate with one another using a variety of methods, such as chemical, sound, movement, etc. Where to draw your line?
Your last puzzling qualification is that of the ability to regenerate. Yet many animals have the ability to regenerate. Would this justify their consumption? Surely you are willing to concede that slicing a plant in two causes stress to the organism; otherwise unnecessary stress that could result in the death of the organism!
Allow me this proposition: Since you cling to your moral opposition to the consumption of animals, what if “meat-eaters” could engineer an animal without any ability to sense. What if they could, for example, engineer a cow without a head? Would you maintain your moral opposition even in light of the placation of your objections?
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The point being, that the desire to somehow exclude plants from the realm of the living, breathing, sensing organisms that share this planet with humans and thereby justify their commodification and routine destruction, is pure fantasy.
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PS. Next time, before asserting how intelligent you are: “It’s not as smart as you, but your probably not as smart as me”…
try using and spelling all of your words properly: “justify the banality of your existance.” Justify the commonplace nature of your existe!nce?
In reply to Lancifer etal:
All of you meat eaters are so full of bovine excrement!
A recent TV program presented a study that suggests the reason for inhabitants of certain regions’ longevity (over 100 years) was attributed to vegetarian/vegan diets. Not a bad fringe benefit, is it?
75% of the American population will be grossly overweight in a few years. 45% of children are already overweight.
If this article is so upsetting to meat eaters - why are you reading it and wasting your time responding to it? Nothing you say could ever convince me or any vegetarian to eat tortured bodies of dead animals again!
Hey, Lancifer, there are plenty of smart veggie types (all veggie types are smarter than flesh eaters in at least one respect, as they are veggies, right?) that could give you a go for your money (argue you into oblivion), however, being a flesh eater, I seriously doubt that you could comprehend the deeper points. This is because the animals you consume become a part of you, which robs you of that much intelligence. Thus, flesh eaters characteristically lack the ability to return fire in a good argument. This is why I pointed out the grossest aspect of vegetarianism, and one that I would think anybody could identify with: how healthy I am and have been for more than forty years after swearing off flesh (ugggghhh, the thought of dead flesh in my mouth is disgusting and the memory is almost intolerable.) Good health is something that one would suppose any flesh eater could identify with. I see you can’t. Therefore, how may we argue about the more cerebral issues? Upon what basis could we do it? If you can’t even identify with how healthy it is to refrain from preying on lower animals for food, how may we occupy the same intellectual terrain and “dissect” morsels of synaptic variance between us? It would be like you trying to point out the higher points of something like philosophy to a very young child that has no experience in life. I’m sorry, but this is just how it is. The only way we could “argue” is if you could somehow be raised to my plane. But how could you do it, as it has taken me over forty years to get here? In order to argue with me you would need a whole new vehicle that is not tainted with the rotting corpses of all those animals you have consumed. You would have to stop preying on other animals for at least twenty or thirty years just to clean your vehicle up enough to comprehend higher thought forms.
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I have several words for you: go back to school; learn how to use the alphabet; learn the language; learn how to use a typewriter properly; don’t be too lazy to hit your caps key and your space bar. It would immeasurably assist the intelligibility angle of your writing. One represents oneself as an uneducated idiot and a lazy dullard when he/she/it totally disregards English usage and form. It is one of the reasons school was made mandatory a while back, hoping it would assist human carnivores (uuuuggggh) to communicate better. You are a prime example of what happens to human beings that “redesign” their taste buds to carnivorous “pleasures” (uuuugggghhhh, what a pleasure.) The human beast was specifically designed by nature to be herbivorus and it may “redesign” its taste buds only at the peril of its intellect and good health. The Science of Anthropology has long known that humans were not designed by nature to be carnivorous. Check your texts on the subject. Louis Leakey could tell you about it. Even the Bible, as long ago as Genesis, states that the human being was designed to eat vegetable matter. (Check somewhere between Gen. 1:19-30 or so. I read it a long time ago, like, the 60’s, and this is the best I can do from memory.) And by the way, your “rights” are entirely contingent upon others than yourself for passage and maintenance. A law, for instance, could be passed tomorrow making it unlawful for you to eat a “DUMBASSCOSWIFIAMSOINCLINED.” WHATWOULDYOUDOTHEN?
@VEGGIE TO THE MAX:
“being a flesh eater, I seriously doubt that you could comprehend the deeper points.” Ad logicam much?
“human carnivores …” It is “omnivores” friend.
“The human beast was specifically designed by nature to be herbivorus …” Hence the vestigial organ: the appendix?
“The Science of Anthropology has long known that humans were not designed by nature to be carnivorous.” I do not think that anyone here has advanced the notion that humans ought to only eat meat. Ignoratio elenchi.
Hey Liberty, I deliberately wrote “carnivore” (knowing the meaning of omnivore) because I just didn’t figure anybody would care or even know the difference, as everybody here is arguing “carnivore vs. herbivore,” and I figured they would know what I mean. Sorry that you didn’t. There may be two or three more in the universe that wouldn’t know, either. Thus, I like “carnivore” to describe the condition because at least 99% of the world doesn’t know the distinction omnivore delivers to the fray, anyway. I won’t accuse you of nitpicking, as I like to get it right, too. However, you have taken a gargantuan leap into nowhere with your, ” Hence the vestigial organ: the appendix?” You imply that somehow the appendix was designed to process animal flesh through the system but you don’t say how so. Can you tell it? How about the blood stream, was it so designed, too? And surely the gluteous maximus was made for flesh eating, right? And the eyeballs and the arms and legs, also, in order to see while chasing down the animals and pummel them to death with the fists, right? However, when the scientifically inclined get to the main ingredients of the herbivorous design, the dentition and the length of the digestive intestines, these bespeak a totally different tune. If you don’t comprehend said distinction, let me know and I’ll supply it for you.