Jul 31 2007

Deranged, Delusional, NOT

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By Steve Jonas

7/31/07

Peggy Noonan was perhaps the paramount hagiographer of Ronald Reagan, perhaps the most influential creator of the Reagan Myth. Peggy Noonan is currently a Contributing Editor for The Wall Street Journal. In a column entitled “American Grit” posted on the OpinionJournal.com on Friday, July 13, 2007 (that tells you something), Noonan had this to say, in part, about George Bush: “I found myself Thursday watching President Bush’s news conference and thinking about what it is about him, real or perceived, that makes people who used to smile at the mention of his name now grit their teeth. . . . I received an email before the news conference from as rock-ribbed a Republican as you can find, a Georgia woman (middle-aged, entrepreneurial) who’d previously supported him. She said she’d had it . . . . Americans have always been somewhat romantic about the meaning of our country . . . . But they like the president to be the cool-eyed realist, the tough customer who understands harsh realities. With Mr. Bush it is the people who are forced to be cool-eyed and realistic. He’s the one who goes off on the toots.”

He’s the one who goes off on the toots?!? This is Peggy Noonan speaking, folks. He must be deranged or delusional, according to her. That’s the only possible explanation of what Noonan describes as his “seemingly effortless high spirits. . . . [His] certain steely good cheer. . . .” Isn’t it? But hold on. We’ve got the alternative view of The New York Times columnist David Brooks, who seems to be vying for the position of paramount hagiographer of George W. Bush. In his column of July 17, 2007, “Heroes and History,” he tells us that in an interview at the White House “Bush was assertive and good-humored. . . . His self-confidence is the most remarkable feature of his presidency. . . . [Far from being delusional, he has an] unconquerable faith in the rightness of his Big Idea. Bush is convinced that history is moving in the direction of democracy, or as he said Friday: ‘I do believe there is an Almighty, and I believe a gift of that Almighty to all is freedom. And I will tell you that is a principle that no one can convince me that doesn’t exist.’ [And so], Bush remains energized by the power of the presidency.”

Exactly so, folks. Not only does this man remain “energized by the power of the presidency,” but also he is using it to a fare-thee-well, whether (details, details) the powers he is exerting because there is no one there who can stop him, are described in Article II of the Constitution or not. He is neither deranged nor delusional. He is right on track. In fact, it is probably to his benefit that his critics are focusing on “deranged or delusional” because it distracts most of them from seeing what is really going on under the Bush polices, both foreign and domestic. Of course, those policies have nothing to do, either at home or abroad, with “moving in the direction of democracy.”

We know exactly what Bush’s view of democracy is, and it has nothing to with “freedom,” which he is moving as fast as he can to totally stamp out right here in River City. Almost every week now comes a new Executive Order, on top of the “Patriot Act,” and the “Military Commissions Act,” and warrantless searches, and so on and so forth, under which Bush grants himself increasing power to drown what is left of American democracy in Grover Norquist’s bathtub. The latest is an Executive Order under which Bush has granted to himself the power to take the property of anyone he deems a terrorist or an abettor of terrorism. By extension, it is obvious that “spreading democracy” has nothing to do with his Iraq policy. The delusional one in this case is David Brooks.

In fact, it is highly likely Bush cares not a wit about Iraq itself or the Iraqi people themselves. What he does care about is the ongoing American presence in Iraq, the ongoing violence in Iraq, yes the creation of new potential terrorists in Iraq, the creation of a new branch of something that labels itself “Al Qaeda in Iraq” even if bin Laden’s base is somewhere in the territory of the U.S. “ally” Pakistan. I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again, folks. If you look at the policy and you look at its implementation since the invasion, there is only one conclusion: the chaos is by design, the goal is Permanent War. The reason for Permanent War is that it is the only route to the establishment of the Permanent Republican Presidency, the ultimate goal of Bush and Cheney and Rove. (See the right-on-target BuzzFlash editorial, “How The White House Will Manipulate Events and Emotions to Maintain GOP Executive Branch Control in 2008.”) The reason Bush will not negotiate with anybody, much less the Democrats, on any plan for Iraq withdrawal is that for Bush, withdrawal is simply not on the table.

Most of his critics, on our side and increasingly among Republicans such as Noonan, think Bush is delusional (or deranged) when it comes to Iraq policy. No folks, it is his critics who are being delusional when they think he continues to pursue his policy because he is delusional. He ain’t. We are. We are going to be able to beat him only when we recognize that fact, now oh-so-obviously staring us in the face. We only need to see it.

Steven Jonas, MD, MPH is a Professor of Preventive Medicine at Stony Brook University (NY), a weekly contributing author for The Political Junkies, and contributing editor for The Moving Planet Blog.

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34 Responses to “Deranged, Delusional, NOT”

  1. Patriot Militiaon 31 Jul 2007 at 11:32 pm

    http://www.conspiracyworld.com/index0128.htm
    Above: Proof Bush is a Jew.
    If you Impeach Bush/Cheney you get Pelosi, a Marrano Jew who is the poster gal for AIPAC and Israel.
    Jews did 911 and all world wars. The coming Iran WW III and the coming Jew owned Federal Reserve conceived Depression II (Yes, They did Depression I also) should bring you to your knees. When all oil is cut off and food will not move and your car will not start due to Nuclear Electromotive Pulse from Russia and China joing the battle and exploding airbursts above your city and country perhaps then you will remember to brush up on your Talmud and Protocols of you know….Jews.
    Prison camps are already built and staffed waiting for you to try to cross the checkpoints without your Homeland Security National ID.
    Perhaps then you will rember that Russian Communism was and still is JEW in nature and conception. But wait, so is Capitalism. The Jews get you coming and going.
    And you poor souls who bought gold thinking it would save your ample behind…..SORRY. When the banks and coin shops have no electricity, phone lines or staff see how many cans of beans a handful of Mapleleafs will get you from ABE down at the local Synagogue.
    I should say “Synagogue of Satan” as Christ put it. Got to get this out before the Jews get their Hate Crimes Bill passed in Congress. Bush will sign it wearing his Yarmulke.
    Got to see if Kevin deletes this..
    Oy Vey!!
    www.Jew-Crime.com

  2. amicusOmnion 01 Aug 2007 at 12:01 am

    You seem to (conveniently) forget or omit, brother Patriot Militia, that Jesus was not Roman, but JEWISH. He was a JEW.

    Now, if, as you claim, ALL Jews start wars, what war did Jesus start? Plus, right now in Israel there is tremendously courageous antiwar movement rarely talked about in the prostituted American media. They are not for war, quite the opposite, they want to see an end to all wars in the Middle East and one state embracing Jews and non-Jews as brothers.

    Yes, Jesus was very much a Jew, and so were all his apostles and followers, for at least two centuries after his death, when poorer gentiles began to gingerly join that outlaw, “radical sect”—the “Christians.” Sure, in modern times many Jews who are ZIONIST have committed and continue to commit (these days via the state of Israel, the complicity of America, and the neocon criminals) huge crimes. But so have just about every civilization worth naming: British imperialists (remember we fought them twice and they burned Washington DC). Their empire subjugated the world for almost 200 years, and their hypocrisy and brutality are on record; and let’s not forget the French, the Arabs, the Turks, the Spanish, The Japanese, the Germans, the Italians, ad infinitum. Practically no major human tribe is exempt from a history of appalling atrocities.

    If you hate the Jews’ ability to command financial institutions, academia, the media, and so on, you should also be livid at the ability of WASPs, for example, to monopolize in America the summit of the social and economic pyramid, and control even greater money and power than the Jews. Rupert Murdoch, for example, owner of Fox News (and now The Wall Street Journal) is an Australian-British tycoon. And check the names of the American families who own the largest industrial fortunes: almost all are native plutocrats. And Pelosi, the calculating, opportunistic Pelosi, is not a marrano Jew, as you claim, but an ambitious and careerist Italian-American woman married to a Jew (real estate developer).

    Study the history of empires, the history of oppressions, the history of wars, with as open a mind as you can and you’ll get a more reliable picture for your complaint.

  3. Patriot Militiaon 01 Aug 2007 at 1:35 am

    http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm

    Here (above link) is the bottom line on 911 and the Jew beginnings of WWIII and Depression II which are discernable even on CNN. Keep your powder dry.
    Don’t look now but your fate is sealed. What Jews did in Boshevic Russia and Gaza today is coming home to roost here in the good old USA. Those of you wasting time on sports, politics and religion (See Tom Paine’s Book, The Age of Reason) had better get up off your couch and get out of the cities now. The carrier armada is on station in the Gulf for the next stage of the Jew takeover of the world.
    Get ready for NO OIL PERIOD and NO FOOD PERIOD. When Russia and China jump in to get their share of the pie there will be airbursts of Nukes above the country and it will fry your car computers and cell phones. Don’t look at the blasts as you will be permanently blind. If you got 3 screaming kids, well, there will be no milk, or medicine, or diapers for Baby Googles or Depends for you as you will probably be scared S_ _ TLESS. Bush boy will not help you. He will be blasted on whiskey and coke while FrankenCheney pushes the Norad stand down buttons and gets a little paper gold Star of David from Israel.
    Still sitting there with your face hanging out.????? Don’t say you were not warned.
    www.Jew-Crime.com

  4. Barbara Klaassenon 01 Aug 2007 at 1:40 am

    Forget gold and silver as an investment for the coming hyperinflation/depression. Instead, invest in wheelbarrows. Yes, you read me right, wheelbarrows.

    You will need this type of non-motorized conveyance to transport enough of your worthless currency down to the local distribution center to try to buy a loaf of bread.

    A word to the wise. Do not leave your wheelbarrow unattended. Otherwise, some savvy individual will dump the currency in the gutter and steal your wheelbarrow.

  5. Joseph W. Schultzon 01 Aug 2007 at 2:04 am

    Can’t we all just get along?

    Seriously, if there is a good-guy God, everything will be just fine in the big bye-and-bye. If there is no good-guy God, there’s nuttin you can do to change things: the boys with the biggest guns always win. –jws

  6. mike mannon 01 Aug 2007 at 4:55 am

    We have to understand this human feces is the original immaculate conception and the one 2000 yrs ago since it is very clear that ms daddy and mr mommy were enjoying their anal sex and he inadvertantly forgot to pull out in time thus ejaculating inside her large colon where one of his wimp sperm came into contact with a turd egg thereby joining as the first zygot in world history where the Shrub farted out 9 mos later as 100% feces and 100% human and the planet has never been the same since.
    Yes this may seem a lame attempt at humor but it is 100% truth and equally as true as the WMD or yellow cake Saddam had ordered from some African nation or the oil companys record profits after all the excuses such as China Katrina etc or the executive orders removing freedom and democracy in America all in the name of fighting terror etc etc etc as the national debt climbs to 15 trillion that is actually 150 trillion.
    Yet this human turd continues to pound his lies over and over as if someone actually believes them when in fact most people yearn for a John Wilkes Booth to TCB in spite of Bushes 5 billion annual security or 10 times anyone else in the WH.
    El Diablo is insulted by the Chavez comment because if its one thing he is not and that is a human turd. This is the stinky age of the original Human Turd. Its a plane its a bird, no its a TURD.

  7. Andrewon 01 Aug 2007 at 5:12 am

    I’m 36, American and I live in Spain now, after 4.5 years in the Czech Rep. I’m a veteran of the first round in the gulf back in ‘90. Luckily, I didn’t have to take the P.B. pills or who knows what kind of condition I’d be in now, but back to my point.

    I saw my country change so quickly after 9/11 that I felt it was definitely time to move to Europe- not out of any ‘anti-American’ sentiment, but only because I’ve always been interested in different cultures (I was raised around the world), the arts, language, politics, architecture, etc.

    On one of my trips back ‘home’ for Christmas, I was surprised to the extent of harassment I received at the airport, just for being out of the country for so long. Automatically, I was a suspect. Of what? I thought, curiosity? Of my exercised wonder of the world we all live in?

    I was treated as a criminal, for doing nothing wrong.. When I started to think about it and remember. This has happened time and again, long before I left..

    ..Plainclothes, jumping out of cars, flashing badges, tearing off my shoes and searching me when I’m riding a bike (?) on the ‘wrong’ side of my suburban California town (at 16 and again at 23) and there’s more- much more. All with out recourse on my part. That’s just one example of many. I’ve got a load of stories, from my friends too, to draw the same conclusions from and I’m sure most of you do as well.

    I love my country so much, though I just can’t live there. How could I? It’s gone so wrong, so terribly wrong. And here I am, sitting in Europe, feeling the clamps of Ex.Os and policies of FEAR tighten, while wading through history (to create a context I was never taught) and hoping for the best. *I can only control me.

    It’s sick people. The whole thing can make me ill- if I start to think about it for too long. Voting doesn’t matter. Torture is fine, though to protest is (almost) illegal. You can’t trust the food. You certainly can’t trust the Government’s word on anything (and the media’s bought anyway). Health care is almost impossible to afford. Privacy is gone. Vaccines are poison. The money’s fake. The jobs are gone. The N.A.U. is on the menu and don’t bother chewing it- or we’ll ram in down your throat. The air’s sick (internationally) with chem-trails. The right criminals get pardoned. The water’s undrinkable and don’t even think about fishing. The Constitution has been IGNORED- even though everyone and their mother has sworn to uphold it. What else have I forgot to mention? A LOT, but you get it don’t you?

    And culture? Remnents of civilisation? What are we leaving? Only what we’ve created. Strip-malls, pissed/sick kids, a raped environment and S.U.V.s. (Destruction by Design.) As we sit on the verge of W.W.III.

    Maybe some words? (I still believe in the power of words.) Written somewhere at sometime, by someone. I hope you’ve printed all of your work..

    How did this happen? How did we get here? I really only see one way out- and if that happens, it ain’t gonna be pretty..

    Regardless, If all we have (at the worst) is today, I’m sure as hell walking the 3 blocks I have to- to jump into the warm Mediterranean and take a swim. Around 7p.m. the water gets really bouncy and fun.. That’s all I really have. The knowledge that I’m living in the one place I want to in the world.

    As for the future, the one thing I know is that my life- has been full.

    What do you have and how do you choose to use it- today?

    Stay positive folks- chin up and chest out. All the best to you and yours.

    Love, in general and without restraint or conditions,
    Andrew

  8. Patrioton 01 Aug 2007 at 7:51 am

    I have no idea where or when mankind’s insanity is going to end. (Lord knows it’s gone on for millenium and surely must be running out of steam by now.) But what I do have a pretty good idea of is this - there WILL be someting better at the other end. Humanity WILL survive!

    ‘Darkness’ cannot last forever, not when there is “LIGHT.” LIGHT abhors a vaccuum, which is exactly what ‘darkness’ creates. Ergo, the positive will override the negative. That’s a universal law, because darkness, when left to it’s own all-consuming devices, will only destory itself. The LIGHT (the positive) cannot allow that to happen. It needs the darkness to balance everything out. Another Universal law. The pendulum must swing both ways.

    Okay, those pearls of wisdom said, here’s my suggestion of what to do when ‘the fit hits the shan’ - go along with it, conserve yourself and your energies but don’t compromise your own positive nature. DO NOT allow the darkness to suck it out of you. Just as a tree bends in a strong wind and survives, so must you bend and survive. Keep that part of yourself sacrosanct, under all conditions, because you WILL be needed at some point in the future to assist in the reconstruction.

    Remember this one thing - YOU are the LIGHT.

  9. bonanzamanon 01 Aug 2007 at 7:51 am

    There are Jews and There are Zionists. All Jews are not Zionists and all Zionists are not Jews. It is the Zionists who appear to have us by the throat. Don’t count on Bush Jr. going any time soon cause that’s a Zionist who is personally skimming 70 million per day, that’s over 25 billion per year from Iraq. Then add the other billions being skimmed by the other Zionists and the rest of his family. Nope, count on him being president for life. Sort of like a home grown Saddam, or Stalin, or Hitler or any one of dozens of other Zionist dictators. The only thing that could change that is if Americas owners, the Rothschilds (the inventors of Zionism) suddenly don’t like him anymore and he’ll be gone instantly.

  10. capriolason 01 Aug 2007 at 8:42 am

    bonanzaman has a point. All Jews are NOT Zionist as this guy above, Amicus, makes clear. Many gentiles, like this contemptible excuse for a human being, and his ilk, who passes for president, are. That however fails to erase the incorrect assumption in bonanzaman’s argument.

    That this filthy cabal has plenty of personal rewards to want to keep them at the teat of the warmongering military industrial complex, which feeds on wars manufactured on fear (and man, do the American people for all the bragadoccio scare easy, they’re pussies) is true, but REMEMBER, Hitler once created by the plutocrats could not be controlled. The fact of the matter is that true fascist parties are mass parties that can easily get out of hand. Hitler once his power was consolidated, was not quite controlled by the plutocrats, and some of them had to hightail it out of Germany when they fell on his wrong side. what I’m saying is that, aftger a point, the beast runs on its olwn scripts and could disobey the master. The benighted American masses who follow the flag and “God” support Bush and the GOP, not Rothschild, most of whom never heard of him/them. The enemy is world plutocracy, ensconced deep in the corporate capiutalist system, not just thge rich Jews like Rothschild. They’re active members of this international cancer, but by no means the only or even cotrolling member of this criminal mafia.

    Get real and start checking the names of the American “aristocracy” the invisible super-rich. You’ll find that, grasping as so many Jew financiers and businessmen are, so are their cohorts and partners in crime, the vast majority of whom are old American families of British/German/Irish/Scottish stock. It’s all there in the social register and similar sources. Check it for yourself.

    So while Israel is a little shitty deranged state driving America’s criminal policies in the middle east and elsewhere, there is no dearth of native, 100% American criminals involved in the same filthy business. The problem, again, is the obscene concentration of wealth and power we have allowed to mushroom right under our noses. Not Jews or any other specific race per se. Learn to think straight man.

  11. Dino Non 01 Aug 2007 at 8:51 am

    Don’t forget that Christianity was founded by a JOO. Saul - JOO, Paul - Christian; same guy!
    Jesus and his Apostles were Joos, not Christians.

  12. againstzionistracismon 01 Aug 2007 at 8:59 am

    Elie Wiesel vs Encyclopaedia Britannica

    Time Magazine, March 18 1985:
    ‘How had he survived two of the most notorious killing fields [Auschwitz and Buchenwald] of the century? “I will never know” he says. “I was always weak. I never ate. The slightest wind would turn me over. In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 to their deaths every day. I was always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why?”
    Compare this with Encyclopaedia Britannica (1993), under ‘Buchenwald’:
    “In World War II it held about 20,000 prisoners.. Although there were no gas chambers, hundreds perished monthly through disease, malnutrition, exhaustion, beatings and executions.”

    Wiesel has been a prominent spokesman for the very sizeable group of people known as Holocaust survivors. Wiesel has chaired the US Holocaust Memorial Council and has been the recipient of a Congressional Gold Medal and Nobel Peace Prize (sic).
    [According to Norman Finkelstein of the City University of New York in his book The Holocaust Industry published in 2000, ‘The Israeli Prime Minister’s office recently put the number of “living Holocaust survivors” at nearly a million’ (p.83)].

    “A Terrible Fraud” : Wiesel Ignores Palestinians
    To the Jerusalem Post, Oct. 9, 1998 (as submitted).
    from Prof. Daniel McGowan, Professor of Economics at Hobart and William Smith Colleges, Geneva, NY
    In your Oct. 9 article on Elie Wiesel, the American icon of Holocaust survivors, he is paid a special tribute as a “speaker of truth.” This is the same Elie Wiesel who is continually referred to by Noam Chomsky and others as “a terrible fraud.” What can explain such disparity of opinion? Perhaps it is because Wiesel, who has written literally volumes Against Silence, remains silent when it comes to such issues involving Palestinians as land expropriation, torture and abrogation of basic human rights.

  13. againstzionistracismon 01 Aug 2007 at 9:00 am

    My Favorite Elie Wiesel Stories

    .. She explained that she had taken classes in Holocaust studies at Harvard and felt she had a good background on the subject. I wasn’t talking to someone who was in the dark about what the Holocaust had been. I wanted to know what texts were followed in her classes but somehow she was unable to name them. She did recall the name of Raul Hilberg, and I was able to give her the title of his book, The Destruction of the European Jews.

    “But the writer who influenced me most is Elie Wiesel.”

    “Is that right?” I said. “We have something in common then. I don’t know who has influenced me more in the way I regard Holocaust literature than Elie Wiesel.”

    “Is that right?” she said enthusiastically, turning in her seat toward me.

    “He’s not a historian though, is he?”

    She considered the question thoughtfully, “Not in a strict sense.”

    I told her some of my favourite Elie Wiesel stories. I started with the one where he writes that there is evidence that when some Russians were executed at Babi Yar in Ukraine that the cadavers of those who were Jews, in a unique protest against their ill treatment, spurted geysers of blood from their graves for months after they were buried.

    “He wrote that in Jews of Silence,” I said, “In a straight book of journalism about Soviet Jews and the refusal of the State to allow them to emigrate. Its not a book of poetry, straight journalism. What do you think about a man who would repeat such a claim? Wiesel writes in long hand in French. His wife translates his stuff into English. Presumably Wiesel goes over the translation. The translation is typeset and presumably Wiesel goes over the galleys. When he claims that the Jewish cadavers spurt geysers of blood from their graves for months after they were buried it isn’t a slip of the pen. Wiesel believes that it’s a credible story. He wants you and me to believe it’s credible. He wants the kids he teaches at Boston University to believe it’s credible. It isn’t only that Wiesel is not a historian. There may be other things as well that he is not. He may not be wrapped too tight, for example.”

    The girl didn’t say anything.

    I told her some more of Elie Wiesel stories. I took them largely from his recommended reading list of survivor eyewitness testimonies. I told them as amusingly as I could, and as gently as I could. As I went along I introduced a few observations about the gas chamber stories from a Revisionist perspective. Occasionally she would smile or ask a question, but as I talked on she grew increasingly silent. After three or four hundred miles I had the feeling I had said enough, but I couldn’t stop myself. The longer I talked the more investment I had in wanting her to see what good sense I was making.

    I told her about how Wiesel especially recommends the eyewitness testimony of Yankiel Wiernik as evidence for the gas chambers at Treblinka and the extermination there of about a million Jews. I told her how Wiernik claims that he saw with his own eyes how the cadavers of pregnant Jewish women that had been exterminated would burst open while they were being cremated…their bellies would burst open…and that inside their wombs you could see their fetuses burning like torches.

    I said, “Here is the question I think Elie Wiesel’s students should pose to him: As the Americans and the British each specialized in burning alive German and Japanese women by the ten thousands in mass terror bombings, and as there are no reports that pregnant German or Japanese women were able to mount such displays with their own wombs and fetuses while their own bodies were in flames, as Yankiel Wiernik – is Elie Wiesel – suggesting that only Jewish ladies have the talent for it? What is it that Wiesel is attempting to suggest when he recommends Wiernik’s eyewitness testimony to his students at Boston University? What does he reveal about his standards for historical objectivity? What does he reveal about his inner life?”

    At that moment the girl took her head in both hands, put her face on her knees and moaned: “I just feel like I’m being proselytized,” she said. She shook her head slowly from side to side, still holding it in both hands, doubled over in her seat.

    www.codoh.com

    extract from Confessions of a Holocaust Revisionist
    By Bradley R. Smith

  14. againstzionistracismon 01 Aug 2007 at 9:05 am

    Ground-Imaging Forensic Radar Exam Of WWII Treblinka Camp

    A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there.

    For six days in October 1999, an Australian team headed by Richard Krege, a qualified electronics engineer, carried out an examination of the soil at the site of the former Treblinka II camp in Poland, where, Holocaust historians say, more than half a million Jews were put to death in gas chambers and then buried in mass graves.

    According to the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (1997), for example, “a total of 870,000 people” were killed and buried at Treblinka between July 1942 and April 1943. Then, between April and July 1943, the hundreds of thousands of corpses were allegedly dug up and burned in batches of 2,000 or 2,500 on large grids made of railway ties.

    Krege’s team used an $80,000 Ground Penetration Radar (GPR) device, which sends out vertical radar signals that are visible on a computer monitor. GPR detects any large-scale disturbances in the soil structure to a normal effective depth of four or five meters, and sometimes up to ten meters. (GPR devices are routinely used around the world by geologists, archeologists, and police.) In its Treblinka investigation, Krege’s team also carried out visual soil inspections, and used an auger to take numerous soil core samples.

    The team carefully examined the entire Treblinka II site, especially the alleged “mass graves” portion, and carried out control examinations of the surrounding area. They found no soil disturbance consistent with the burial of hundreds of thousands of bodies, or even evidence that the ground had ever been disturbed. In addition, Krege and his team found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes, or wood ashes.

    “From these scans we could clearly identify the largely undisturbed horizontal stratigraphic layering, better known as horizons, of the soil under the camp site,” says the 30-year old Krege, who lives in Canberra. “We know from scans of grave sites, and other sites with known soil disturbances, such as quarries, when this natural layering is massively disrupted or missing altogether.” Because normal geological processes are very slow acting, disruption of the soil structure would have been detectable even after 60 years, Krege noted.

    While his initial investigation suggests that there were never any mass graves at the Treblinka camp site, Krege believes that further work is still called for.

    “Historians say that the bodies were exhumed and cremated toward the end of the Treblinka camp’s use in 1943, but we found no indication that any mass graves ever existed,” he says. “Personally, I don’t think there was a mass extermination camp there at all.”

    Krege prepared a detailed report on his Treblinka investigation. He says that he would welcome the formation, possibly under United Nations auspices, of an international team of neutral, qualified specialists, to carry out similar investigations at the sites of all the wartime German camps.

  15. fletcherChristianon 01 Aug 2007 at 9:07 am

    hey dino N: do you have any brains at all? I rather doubt it. Even the KKK and the John Birch wackos know that Jesus was a JEW (or “JOO” as you so cutely put it). Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism. Try to grow up man, even if your ignorance is so severe that I doubt you can even understand this sentence. You are probably one of the countless jerks who goes around believing that Jesus was blond and blue-eyed…man what stupidity.

  16. Stuon 01 Aug 2007 at 9:08 am

    Bush might be a “Jew” if “Jews” actually existed. An Edomite by any other name is still an edomite. You can call them “Jews”, “Palestinians”, or whatever name they have taken on to hide their identity. They are still Edomites(descendants of Esau). “Jews”, “Palestinians” are only made up names, the leadership of each is Edomite. The rank and file of the “Jews” is Khazarian(Ashkenazi) and Spanish/Edomite(Sephardic). The rank and file of the Palestinians is mostly other Middle Eastern cultures.

    The term “christian” means enlightened one, the term “luciferian” means enlightened one. This is why Bush can call himself a “christian”, as he is an “enlightened one”(even though he is a real dim one).

    Most of “christianity” considers the “jews” to be the descendants of the tribe of Judah and Bush to be a christian. Unfortunately this misconception will cost them dearly, even their lives.

    The name “Jesus” comes from the word “Iesous”. This comes from the Catholic church. So the people that call themselves “christians” are actually worshiping a pagan greek god. Actually every religion including secular humanism and atheism are worshiping the god of Esau, which is Lucyfer. She can be a real beeyotch at times.

    So if Bush is a “jew” then he is actually a luciferian edomite.

    The main problem is a failure to communicate, because everybody is on a different page using different meanings for the same word.

  17. noybon 01 Aug 2007 at 9:18 am

    Those people grit their teeth because they’ve been had and it hurts.

    It is much easier on the ego to believe you know everything than face the obvious truth that you may know nothing, that your whole mental paradigm–your worldview–may be fundamentally erroneous–that’s too much to bear.

    People will regroup, dig in their heels, and vote for one of the next two charlatans to come along and magically get the press coverage they need, for doing so is so much easier to swallow than admitting you could be fooled so completely.

    Nobody likes being fooled.

    Then they’ll be had again. And again, they’ll hunker down and ignore reality, rationalizing their condition anew.

    Then the next charlatan of a higher order will come along.

    Repeat process.

    Eventually we get the Anti-Christ, and everyone loves him! He’ll be THE answer!

  18. Mickeyblueon 01 Aug 2007 at 10:28 am

    Sorry Christ from which Christian springs does not mean enlightened one it is Messiah,they mean the same and it translates to annointed one. Many can be regarded as enlightend but only one is annointed.
    Jews did not come from Esau but from his brother Jacob. Read the geneology regarding Jacob/Israel. The Ashkenazi were adopted Jews, converting into the religion and traditon.
    Jesus was most direct in His telling us to particularly be aware of and warned of those Jews who are NOT. Those who cloak themselves as Jews but who are not.
    Since day one hundreds of years before there were any tribes, Judah and Benjamin with the Levites comprising the priests/rabbis we fell from grace in the garden. There have ever since been evil people who desire to control the world and have never relented in their objective. They come in both genders and they come from all corners and persuasians.

  19. snorkyon 01 Aug 2007 at 11:37 am

    Does it really matter to anyone here is someone is a “Jew” (descendent of Jacob) of “Edomite” (descendent of Esau)? What we need to do is what Patriot suggests, and stop playing THEIR game. Head for the mountains, deserts, and other remote areas, let the oligarchs (1-3%, along with their lackeys in govt., their hired mercenaries, and about 25% of the military [according to a 1990s atudy at Camp Pendleton, 25% of soldiers claimed they’s shoot American civilians if ordered]) shoot it out amongst themselves and against the “insurgents” (5%)…let the 70% sheeple enjoy their lot in the concentration camps they’ll be rounded up into, leaving the 22% of us out here in the remote to watch the show and live in relative freedom.

  20. Willy Whittenon 01 Aug 2007 at 12:33 pm

    On the topic of Bush and his belief in democracy. Anyone here who understands the difference between democracy and a republic will also understand that Bush is totally truthfull in his quest for democracy. [see: Federalst papers, esp. Madison, read the constitutional debates]
    Pure democracy is mob rule, when the mob is controlled by propaganda [see:Engineering Consent by Edrard Bernays], the mob will naturally lynch their own self intrests, which is why; historically, democracy is the step just before dictatorshhip.
    The Constitution of the United States establishes a republic, not a democracy.
    “Making the world safe for democracy” began with the Wilson administration, which also brought the Federal Reserve, income tax, and the mortgaging of the US to usery. It also led to the Hegelian WWI, which led to the Hegelian WWII, which led to the Hegelian Cold War, and the synthesizer plays on.
    My advice to all here is to get your lexicon in order to untwist the twine of doublethink playing out in your own heads. I am speaking generally here, and am not pointing to any particular individual.
    If there is a God (and I leave that to each of you to decide on your own), He gave you a brain to think with, not to sacrafice on the altar of ignorance and conformity.
    The bottom line to this tempest in a teapot, is that it doesn’t mean shit what Bush believes–he is just a meat puppet. It is the structure, the system which must be analyzed. The rest is just a Punch and Judy show.

  21. againstzionistracismon 01 Aug 2007 at 12:59 pm

    Jesus was not a Jew

    Just over a century before the birth of Christ, something very strange happened.

    The Edomites were converted as a group to become Jews by John Hyrcanus, in about 120BC (Josephus, Antiquities, XIII ix 1; XV vii 9).
    Flavius Josephus the Jewish historian who lived just after the time of Christ, says ‘They (Edom) were hereafter no other than Jews’.
    If you can check the passage in Josephus, please do so and see for yourself. Cecil Roth in his Concise Jewish Encyclopedia (1980) says ‘John Hyrcanus forcibly converted [Edom] to Judaism. From then on they were part of the Jewish people..’ (p 154).

    Who are these people called Edom?

    In the time of the patriarchs, Isaac the son of Abraham had two sons, Jacob and Esau.
     Jacob became the ancestor of the twelve tribes of Israel, which after the reign of Solomon split into two separate political entities, the northern ten tribes being called Israel and the southern two tribes called Judah.
     Esau became the ancestor of Edom, also called Idumea. The Edomites or Idumeans settled in an area that was immediately to the south of the Dead Sea, and just to the south of the area which was later to become the territory of Judah.
    From the beginning there existed an enmity between Jacob and Esau ( Genesis 25:22) and between their progeny, Israel and Edom. This is reflected not only in the historical books but the bitter judgements against Edom in most of the prophetical writings of the Old Testament. Have a look for yourself, for example, at Isaiah chapters 34 and 63, Jeremiah chapter 49 and the entire book of Obadiah. Revelation 19:13 describes Christ’s cloak as soaked in blood. Bibles with marginal references and other reference Bibles virtually all link this to Isaiah 63:1-6, so Christ Himself will destroy Edom. Obadiah verse 4: ‘Though you soar like the eagle and set your nest among the stars [referring to Edom’s power at the end of the age], I will bring you down from there, says the Lord.’ If you study the subject of ‘Babylon’ (Revelation 17 and 18, Isaiah 47, Jeremiah 50 and 51), it clearly refers to the anti-Christian sordid and corrupt money-power so visible today. Edom is linked to this Babylon (compare Isaiah 34:5-15 and Isaiah 13:19-22 with Revelation 19:3). Even Yahweh the God of Israel ‘hated Esau (Edom)’, a people ‘against whom he has indignation forever’ (Malachi 1:2-4). God Himself is going to destroy this terrible anti-Christian Babylonian money power, as the quoted chapters make clear.

    The prophet Ezekiel refers to Idumea (Edom, also referred to as Mount Seir) as taking possession of the land and heritage of Israel and Judah (Ezekiel 35:10, 11, 15; 36:2, 5). After the tribes of Judah and Benjamin were taken into captivity in Babylon, the country was settled by other peoples (Ezra 9:11). When the remnant of Judah and Benjamin returned, there is no record of these others being expelled. By the time of the beginning of the Maccabean period (about 165BC) described in the Old Testament Apocrypha, the Edomites were occupying southern Judah up to Beth-Zur, a mere 15 miles south of Jerusalem (1 Maccabees 4:29).

    The Edomite ‘conversion’ clearly opened the way for a virtual takeover along the lines predicted by Ezekiel. An Edomite, Antipater, became the Procurator of Judea in 47BC. Ten years later his son Herod actually became ‘king of the Jews’, starting an Edomite dynasty which ruled Palestine under the authority of Rome for over a hundred years.

    This situation would in itself have been a stimulus for an influx of population from the arid country of Edom into the more hospitable neighbouring environment of Judea, an influx which would obviously have been encouraged for political reasons by the ruling Herodian dynasty. Edomites would have been appointed to the most influential positions, in order to extend and establish the Edomite grip on the territory and people. Herod became notorious amongst Christians for his ‘massacre of the innocents’, a supernaturally inspired attempt on the life of the infant Christ (Matthew 2:16). Herod’s son Herod Antipas, continuing the work, was responsible for the grisly and appalling murder of John the Baptist (Matthew 14:6-12).

    In the New Testament, the English word ‘Jew” is a translation of the Greek Ioudaios (Yehudah-os), a Judean or inhabitant of Judah (Yehudah) - Judea - the former territory of the tribe of Judah (Yehudah), which now contained a substantial percentage of people of Edomite origin who possessed the political power under the aegis of Rome. Christ himself consistently showed a really powerful antipathy towards the people that the English New Testament calls Jews, but who were more accurately Judeans, the inhabitants of the Edomite-dominated territory of Judea. Jesus said to the Jews ‘Because you are not sheep of my flock you do not believe’ (John 10:24-27) and ‘I was only sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel’ (Matthew 15:25). In fact, Christ referred to those ‘Jews’ (people of Judea) ‘who believed in him’, as being ‘of their father the devil’ (John 8: 31,44), while in complete contrast He instructed His disciples - who were from Galilee, not Judea (Acts 1:11) - to pray to ‘our Father who is in heaven’. Was He just suffering from alternating good and bad moods? John the Apostle in his book of Revelations refers to those ‘who say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan’ (2:9), repeated in the following chapter (3:9). Judea and Galilee were two separate states and political entities, as any Bible with maps of the Holy Land in New Testament times will show. Jesus Himself was not a Jew (Judean) living in Judea – he was a Galilean who lived in Galilee (Matthew 26:69, John 7:41). He grew up in Nazareth in Galilee. His disciples were fishermen from the Sea of Galilee. Christ visited Jerusalem, but spent most of His life in Galilee. John 7:1 says, ‘After this Jesus stayed in Galilee; He could not stay in Judaea, because the Jews were out to kill him’. His followers were constrained ‘for fear of the Jews’ (John 7:13, 19:38, 20:19).

    ‘Jesus spoke to the crowds in parables. He never spoke to them except in parables’ (Matthew 13:34). Many churches and Sunday schools teach that Jesus used parables to make His teachings clearer. But all four Gospels say the opposite. When Jesus was asked why He spoke to them in parables, He replied ‘Because the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven are revealed to you, but not revealed to them’ (Matthew 13:10-11, Mark 4:11,12, Luke 8:9, John 12:37+). In the passage in Mark, Jesus says ‘The secret of the kingdom of God is given to you, but to those who are outside everything comes in parables, so that they may see and see again, but not perceive; may hear and hear again, but not understand; otherwise they might be converted and be forgiven’. Luke says Jesus told His disciples, ‘The mysteries of the kingdom of heaven are revealed to you; for the rest there are only parables, so that they may see but not perceive, listen but not understand’. Was Jesus simply concerned with the salvation of all the ‘miserable sinners’? He said, ‘Do not cast your pearls in front of pigs, or they may trample them and turn and tear you to pieces’ (Matthew 7:6). Are these actual pigs and was Jesus simply showing concern about his followers’ jewellery? Who are these pigs if not the Jews, who follow the teachings of the Talmud, wherein Jesus is insulted in the most depraved manner? Why do Christians disobey Christ in sharing that which is holy with the Jews?

    The Jews shouted ‘Crucify Him!’ (John 19:15) and ‘His blood be on us and on our children!’ (Matthew 27:25). Pilate was using irony when he wrote ‘Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews (Greek = Judeans)’ (John 19:19) – i.e.‘the Galilean who was King of the Judeans’, as in ‘Queen Victoria of England, Empress of India’. The spiritual leaders of the Jews were the Pharisees, who unsurprisingly were associated with the (Edomite) Herodians ((Matthew 22:16, Mark 3:6 and 12:13). Jesus utterly condemned the Pharisees as hypocrites, using the word repeatedly (Matthew 15:7, 22:18, 23:13, 15, 23, 25 and 27). He also called them ‘brood (offspring) of vipers’ (Matthew 3:8, 12:34, 23:33). Decide for yourself: was this just a loose hyperbolic turn of phrase, like ‘sons of bitches’, or was it true? As is well known, Satan was associated with the idea of serpent.

    The Jews of the western world like to portray WASPs (‘white Anglo-Saxon Protestants’) as the archetypal racists, but are adamant that Palestinians born in ‘Israel’ (formerly Palestine) and chased out by the violence and terror-tactics of the Jewish settlers, should not be permitted to return to thir homes under any circumstances, although Jewish immigrants from Milwaukee or San Diego or anywhere else (even if atheists) should be given full citizenship and rights. A ‘Jew’ is defined in the Israeli constitution as someone born of a Jewish mother, irrespective of belief. The word does not refer therefore to a person’s religion, but to his or her ancestry or race. The virulent and violent racism of the Zionist-supporting anti-racists is therefore Pharisee-like in its hypocrisy.

    Most churches have no interest at all in the matter of Edom, and for them, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Obadiah and Malachi were effectively wasting their breath. Many churches are not much more than social clubs. They have little interest in making progress in searching for the truth. They have no interest in the statements of the historian Josephus or the details and actions of the Edomite Herodian dynasty. Where Christ Himself referred to those ‘Jews’ (people of Judea) who believed in him, as being of their father the devil (John 8: 31,44) most churches prefer to ignore this. They have no interest in the ethnic affiliations of those behind the Communist anti-Christian revolutionaries. Although Christ said, ‘You shall know them by their fruits’ (Matthew 7:16, 20), these people prefer not to think about the Jewish involvement in Communism (see below) and all the dreadful suffering it produced, not least for Christians, or the terrible culture-destroying anti-Christian output of Jewish-dominated Hollywood. To this degree they are anti-Truth and therefore anti-Christian.

    Jesus said ‘You shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free.’ These churches are not interested in examining where the truth lies in these matters, believing that the liberal anti-Christian Jewish-controlled media is the best guide on where the truth lies. Although Christ utterly condemned the anti-Christian Edomite Jews, many churches still prefer to consider them to be, of all things, the ‘people of God’! The churches ‘with the benefit of modern advances in ethics and knowledge’ obviously believe that they know better about the Jews and racism than God did all those centuries ago. Perhaps they believe that God, with the benefit of hindsight and advice from modern churchmen and theologians, would not have inspired His prophets to be such profound pro-Israel, anti-Edomite racists (modern ‘Israel’ is not the same as biblical Israel). But the churches of today are unfortunately often almost an integral department of the mega-money-sponsored Babylonian power-structure which discourages the search for and propagation of truth. The establishment churches can be relied upon not to rock the boat. It is customary for the churches to treat the period of the life of Christ as though the people of Judea were uniformly Israelite, but this is most definitely, demonstrably and undeniably not so.

    It is customary for many churches and Christians to follow the leading of the Babylonian power structure in declaring racism to be wrong, at the same time viewing the Arabs as utterly deplorable for their support for the Palestinians, and the Palestinians, well, they really take the cake in not meekly handing over their country, homes, villages and olive groves to the wonderful although ruthlessly violent Jews.

    Unfortunately most churches deliberately ignore the parable of the tares or darnel (Matthew 13:24—30, 36-43). This refers to ‘one of the most destructive of all weeds’ (botanical name Lolium temulentum). ‘Before it bears fruit Lolium is almost indistinguishable from wheat, amongst which it often grows as a weed. Only when they come into ear can they be distinguished.’ ‘The seeds often harbour seriously poisonous fungus growths that if eaten by humans or animals will cause dizziness and vomiting and sometimes even death’ (W.Walker, All the Plants of the Bible). Jesus said with regard to people, ‘You shall judge them by their fruits’.

    These churches also deliberately ignore Christ’s parable of the wicked husbandmen (Matthew 21:33-46), preferring to follow the comfortable teachings of men. It is customary for the churches to proclaim that the Jews with their violently anti-Christian beliefs propounded in the Talmud, are the ‘chosen people of Yahweh, the people of Israel’, in spite of all the evidence concerning Edom and the unambiguous teachings of Christ. The churches, following the wolves in sheeps’ clothing, must stop advancing and helping to propagate anti-Christian non-truths and lies. They must beware of the leaven of the Edomite Pharisees (Matthew 23). They must not be a tacit part of the Babylonian empire, otherwise they too will be destroyed by God.
    Edom means ‘red’. Communism almost universally is associated with red flags and blood, the blood of revolution and the blood of millions of innocent people. So it is understandable that the Jews have been prominent in violent, bloody, anti-Christian Communism, not only in Russia but in the US, Canada, South Africa and elsewhere.. In the early 1950’s a scandal erupted in the US concerning Jews in Hollywood who supported Communism in spite of its utterly appalling human rights record. Senator Joe McCarthy convened a committee to investigate the matter, provoking the wrath of the Jewish-controlled media in America.

    The Jewish author Chaim Bermant in his book The Jews devotes a chapter to an aspect of Communism that is hardly generally known. The author, himself Jewish, writes with a certain authority and familiarity concerning his subject and can hardly be accused of the charge of ‘anti-Semitism’ which is usually leveled at anyone who offers any criticism, no matter how justified, of Jews and their ways.
    “No people is so averse to change yet none in recent times has dissipated more of its energy on revolution.. Although Jews formed less than five percent of Russia’s population, they formed more than fifty percent of its revolutionaries..
    “It must be added that most of the leading revolutionaries who convulsed Europe in the final decades of the last century and the first decades of this one, stemmed from prosperous Jewish families.. They were perhaps typified by the father of revolution, Karl Marx.. Thus when, after the chaos of World War I, revolutions broke out all over Europe, Jews were everywhere at the helm; Trotsky, Sverdlov, Kamenev and Zinoviev in Russia, Bela Kun in Hungary, Kurt Eisner in Bavaria, and, most improbable of all, Rosa Luxemburg in Berlin.
    “To many outside observers, the Russian revolution looked like a Jewish conspiracy, especially when it was followed by Jewish-led revolutionary outbreaks in much of central Europe. The leadership of the Bolshevik Party had a preponderance of Jews and included Litvinov (real name Wallach), Liadov (Mandelshtam), Shklovsky, Saltz, Gusev (Drabkin), Zemliachka (Salkind), Helena Rozmirovich, Serafima Gopner, Yaroslavsky (Gubelman), Yaklovlev (Epstein), Riaznov (Goldendach), Uritsky and Larin. Of the seven members of the Politburo, the inner cabinet of the country, four, Trotsky (Bronstein), Zinoviev (Radomsky), Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and Sverdlov, were Jews.”
    When Lenin died in 1924, Zinoviev - the first chairman of the Communist International - formed a triumvirate with Kamenev and Stalin to govern Russia. This ‘Troika’ as it was known was formed to keep Trotsky from the succession. Stalin was the only one of the three members of the Troika who was not Jewish. “Though Zinoviev and Kamenev feared Trotsky as too militant and extreme, they shared his belief in permanent revolution, which Stalin did not. Russia had been in almost continuous turmoil for twenty years and had suffered revolutions and counter-revolutions, war, invasions and a pitiless and drawn-out civil war. There were limits to which the endurance of a people could be stretched. The Russians wanted to bury their dead and resume what they could of normal life. Stalin understood this. Trotsky, Zinoviev and Kamenev did not.”

    “Jews had a prominent role in Communist parties elsewhere..” (Bermant, The Jews (1977).)

    Christ accused ‘those Jews who believed in Him’ (note this) of being ‘of their father the devil’, and that ‘(they) prefer to do what their father wants.. He was a murderer (blood-letter) from the beginning, he was never grounded in the truth; there is no truth in him at all.. because he is a liar and the father of lies..’ (John 8:31-44). The Concise Oxford Dictionary (1976) says the verb jew means ‘to cheat’. The Penguin English Dictionary (1965) says jew means ‘to defraud, to cheat’. The Holocaust is the biggest fraud of 20th century history.

  22. A. Magnuson 01 Aug 2007 at 1:11 pm

    If the Jews are so oppressive and all powerful, why are they letting you post blatant Nazi propaganda on this blog? Don’t you think the Kosher Nostra would be tracking down your IP and rigging your car’s brakes so you meet with an ‘accident’ because you blew their cover? You Jew baiters are pathetic, mostly because you don’t even understand that you yourselves are the tools of your real oppressors - the aristocracy. Every time you talk about how evil the Jews are, another Dick Cheney type gets away with pissing on the Constitution, while you prattle on about how patriotic you are. Idiots! Your own leaders are selling your country and livelihoods down the river, but instead of growing some balls and confronting them you pick on minorities to make yourselves feel like you have some tangible power. I dare you to go to the next Bush press conference and start yelling your ‘Jew’ crap there - see how the overwhelmingly non-Jewish secret service and police treat you.

  23. Xcenturionon 01 Aug 2007 at 1:39 pm

    Blind anti-Jewish prejudices give serious anti-Zionists a bad name. Zionism is a philosophy that, whatever its proclaimed beneficial or justified purposes (i.e., given the homeless and persecuted Jews a home, etc.) in our time, as implemented by Israel, has yielded terrible results that keep pushing the world into political catastrophes, not to mention untold suffering. But to denounce Zionism in this manner that jew-haters do is, as I say, giving anti-Zionism and not Zionism a rotten name.

    I for one am grateful that some people on this blog do not abuse the privileges extended by the editors to set their views forth in a serious public forum, and strive to file SANE and enlightened comments. Our fellow poster A. Magnus has summed up the sheer stupidity and bile of the Jewhating crowd so well that we need no further clarification along those lines. Bravo Magnus! (BTW, I’m not Jewish but simply detest malice and boastful, in-your-face recalcitrant imbecility, the latter mental vice being one of the main supporting legs of this mendacious system, and certainly a source of comfort for the Bush-Cheney-Neocon regime.)

  24. Billyon 01 Aug 2007 at 4:31 pm

    The idiot above makes a fine point on how jews are the biggest bunch of self-centered whiners since the creation of this world. God punished them in the past just as surely as God will no doubt punish them in the near future.
    Jews proclaim to be the most highly sophisticated intellectual minds to ever grace mankind, and yet, when it comes to repeating their mistakes, they are in a league all their own. Moses warned the jews to keep them neck muscles well used and if they have any sense of what is right and wrong and see the warning sighns ahead, they will know the world is onto them and their schemes to create conflicts so they become rich, is not part of God’s plan. Even the very elite are fooled by the people who’s bloodline tried to destroy the love of Christ’s message, but God will not allow them to corrupt the Christian Church ever again. They who lay with devils will awaken in the pits of eternal darkness.

  25. Fred Wahlstromon 01 Aug 2007 at 9:45 pm

    As a reader of the comments posted here, and their diverse viewpoints, and not claiming to know the truth or falsity of them, it would be interesting to see A. Magnus and Xcenturion take on againstzionistracism, and spend the time taking apart or pointing out the lies and falseness they seem to allude to, point by point.

    It is one thing to slander someone who takes the time to educate the forum, this is done in the school-yard.

    I don’t know if what he is saying is true or false but I am going to spend the time to find out before I give out a blanket statement he is a racist or writes bullshit, if what he is saying is crap, no problem, but if it contains the truth or leads to becoming aware of the truth, it’s worth a fair personal hearing.

    After seeing what happened to John Kaminsky(Has he been disappeared?) I have to wonder.

    It seems an open mind serves me better in the times we live in.

    Fred

  26. Billyon 02 Aug 2007 at 12:40 am

    I think it’s safe to say Fred got his ass kicked around alot in the schoolyard.

  27. Willy Whittenon 02 Aug 2007 at 1:10 am

    How is it that, no matter the subject, we always get these telephone book sized arguments over the Jews? This ‘conflict’ is beginning to look and taste like a bottle of Hegelian vineger.
    What can be said about people that cannot stay on point? Are they here to lead astray? Are they in collusion? Are perhaps Xcenturion and Magnus from the same think tank? What does all of this have to do with the price of micro-chips in China?
    I’d rather read the Wall Street journal than endure another round of this stale yap.

    Fred,
    Good idea. Check out the subject. It is complex. A dead give away is the guy who calls the Jews–Joos. Why he doesn’t just go for the word, kike, proves he is at least a ‘politically corrected’ nazi. It’s clear Zionists are enemies of liberty. It’s equally clear that most Jews are just going along to get along like most cattle. But I don’t want to get into the fray.
    What was that about John Kaminsky? You are right, I haven’t heard much from him in quite awhile.

  28. (if applicable)on 02 Aug 2007 at 1:43 am

    It’s now clear to most U.S. citizens that jews are the greatest threat to America since the Russian Cuban crisis. And when the well used and abused American Christian comes around, and the evidence is building, then the jews can take their boasting of fucking everybody in the ass back home and wait for their well deserved and final reward.

  29. againstzionistracismon 02 Aug 2007 at 8:52 am

    “IRONICALLY ENOUGH.. ”

    Ironically enough, the Jewish philosopher Hannah Arendt in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem (1965), courageously points out that ‘Israeli citizens, religious and nonreligious, seem agreed upon the desirability of having a law which prohibits intermarriage.. They are also agreed upon the undesirability of a written constitution in which such a law would embarrassingly have to be spelled out.. There certainly was something breathtaking in the naïveté with which the prosecution (in the Eichmann trial) denounced the infamous Nuremberg Laws of 1935, which had prohibited intermarriage and sexual intercourse between Jews and Germans. The better informed among the correspondents were well aware of the irony, but they did not mention it in their reports. This was not the time to tell the Jews what was wrong with the laws and institutions of their own country.’ (p 7). In other words, there is the extreme irony that the Nuremberg Laws were ‘infamous’, but that the legal impediments in Israel with the same objective were (are, even today) never ‘infamous’. ‘From the first (in Israel), the diverse religious sects were kept separate and segregated by the prohibition of civil marriage.’ (Maxim Ghilan, How Israel Lost its Soul (1974), p 165-6). Exclusionary mechanisms have a dual connotation: when Jews practice them, they are neutral, when others such as Germans do, they are so Evil that our hair stands on end and we literally shiver with the feeling of overwhelming bilious nausea…

  30. againstzionistracismon 02 Aug 2007 at 9:07 am

    Was It Really Worth It, Mrs. Albright?

    THE PRICE

    By Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair

    What moved those kamikaze Muslims to embark, some many months ago on the training that they knew would culminate in their deaths as well of those (they must have hoped) of thousands upon thousands of innocent people? Was it the Koran plus a tape from Osama bin Laden? The dream of a world in which all men wear untrimmed beards and women have to stay at home or go outside only when enveloped in blue tents? I doubt it. If I had to cite what steeled their resolve the list would surely include the exchange on CBS in 1996 between [Bill Clinton’s (Zionist) Secretary of State] Madeleine Albright and then US ambassador to the United Nations and Lesley Stahl. Albright was maintaining that sanctions had yielded important concessions from Saddam Hussein.

    Stahl: “We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And you know, is the price worth it?”

    Albright: “I think this is a very hard choice, but the price ­ we think

    the price is worth it.”

    They read that exchange in the Middle East. It was infamous all over the Arab world. I’ll bet the September 11 kamikazes knew it well enough, just as they could tell you the crimes wrought against the Palestinians. So would it be unfair today to take Madeleine Albright down to the ruins of the Trade Towers, remind her of that exchange, and point out that the price turned out also to include that awful mortuary. Was that price worth it too, Mrs. Albright?

    Well, the typists and messenger boys and back-office staffs throughout the Trade Center didn’t know that history. There’s a lot of other relevant history they probably didn’t know but which those men on the attack planes did. How could those people in the Towers have known, when US political and journalistic culture is a conspiracy to perpetuate their ignorance? Those people on the Towers were innocent portions of the price that Albright insisted, in just one of its applications, as being worth it. It would honor their memory to insist that in future our press offers a better accounting of how America’s wars for Freedom are fought and what the actual price might include.

    SOURCE : www.counterpunch.com

  31. anonymouson 02 Aug 2007 at 8:31 pm

    Andrew, may God bless you. You have the right attitude and one that says you know your creator, whomever he/she/it is.

    America is changing my friend. Hopefully, with your previous armed service, you can reach out to our military who might question their current roles. They really should start questioning, because their role is getting ready to change. It is being introduced by your friends at the Transport Security Administration. They have now rolled out something they call Operation Viper. They are searching bus passengers in Indianapolis, Indiana to make sure they are not carrying guns or knives or ???? It is dark foreshadowing of what is to come.

    Interestingly, the name Viper is used in many police type actions and was recently used in Afghanistan to conduct door-to-door searches to make sure that nobody had guns, knives or ammunition.

    Would it be irresponsible to draw a conclusion between the names and actions which seem strangely similar? I am sure the EU is or has undergone a similar siege. Then again, it may not be long before you have more freedom than we do.

  32. urallnutzon 02 Aug 2007 at 10:29 pm

    Diagnostic criteria

    At least five of the following are necessary for a diagnosis (as with many DSM diagnoses, they must form a pervasive pattern; for example, a person who shows these criteria only in one or two relationships or situations would not properly be diagnosed with NPD):

    1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance
    2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
    3. believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by other special people
    4. requires excessive admiration
    5. strong sense of entitlement
    6. takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
    7. lacks empathy
    8. is often envious or believes others are envious of him or her
    9. arrogant affect.

    (see also full list in DSM-IV-TR, p. 717)

    Many of the posters here may find this informative and anyways, none of this makes any difference as long as out REPTIILIAN SHAPESHIFTING OVERLORDS CONTROL OUR EVERY MOVE…

  33. Gadzookaon 03 Aug 2007 at 1:07 am

    Are you saying the Arabs and Jews and American politicians, businessman and religious self-righteous freaks are all reptilian shapeshifters? Well, at least that would explain why the jews we’re dancing on 911 and why the Arab hi-jackers families are now working at the brand new Halliburton headquarters located in Saudi Land and United Emirates. You Americans must be pretty fucking stupid if you haven’t figured it out by now. Focus on the obvious and the rest will fall into place.

  34. againstzionistracismon 03 Aug 2007 at 7:28 am

    Repooplickns and Democraps both controlled by Aipac Disraeli Fairysea Ziony’s

    According to variose icademick studies, the polytickns mitszre-presentin the ony two Capitolist mainlining partyfartys the Repooplickns! and Democraps! beneath the comptrol of the racyracist craziZionies. These make for inciting times. The (gunsof) august dignyfied Senatelligators and ‘members’ of ‘congress’ haggle for beeshness, gailydaily raisin there skirts and droppin there drawpers - in pooplick! all for the shekelshackles and bootlickyful khazaridignofecations. Dollardoulocrazy! AshkeNazi Schicklgrooba! Sixpointed-swasticker! Ethnocleansy Gazastrippy-tease! Onygoodpalli isa dedpalli! Izraily sneipassassin! Izraily Demolishocracy! Killemall! Boombang! Shootthestonykids! Take’m'out! The Constitutional Amendment of the Talmudd! BooshBliar! The effin Araq Irabs! Saddamn! Shock’n'awe or awefulshock! Mishon Complete! Snafusopheechistification! Libbylobbys! Neocoms! Hum V. Hillarymonika Billcigar Clintone! Lieberalistic anti-racist-racists! Google google! Jewliani! ‘Dick’ Chainy’s Smelliburton! Babylononthehudson-tigris! Bombastic DU weppons of mastification! Wolfowits! Auschwits!The sex-pointed shtar-shpangled bandanna! Pressconinferences! Antitermitism! Oh the smell the smell of the neocon ‘liberty’ bell! Poof! poopSTINK! Ehhhhhrrrrrr!

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